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Posted 8/7/2016 7:34:19 PM
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Hello everyone,
After looking at all the possibilities for building a street legal B v S DOJ Batmobile and deciding on the route to take one is left with primarily the following choices.

A movie correct externally correct replica in 70% scale with in line seating. Yes they will fit that way if the engine is located in the front. This will give you a vehicle that is approximately 8' - 4" wide and 14' long. From a distance, it will have the low wide look but up closer it will lose the feeling of awe that comes from the massiveness of the original.

Your second route choice and the one I've chosen for myself: Build the body movie correct and full scale, keeping the massiveness of the original and the large tire size. From a side view the vehicle looks full sized because it is. What is lost is width, that low wide look from the front and rear.

Your third route choice is a combination of scales and multi-axis element skewing on multiple continuums that fall between total reality and near abstraction. vertigo


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SEARCHING FOR THE RIGHT DONOR VEHICLE
Information from the web revealed that the proxy vehicles used to
stand in for the real DOJ Batmobile were Dodge Ram 3500 4 x 4 trucks
with a close matching wheel base, so this is a good place to start
your search. I ordered a 1/25th scale Dodge Ram 3500 model truck to
compare against the 1/25th DOJ Batmobile model. Comparing the original
to possible donor vehicle models in the same scale is an excellent way
to get a pretty good idea of what will fit where. Some refer to this
method as visual intuition or comparative V analysis. Information is
available on the web for most vehicles and I gathered up that which I
thought to be relevant to evaluating the suitability of the Dodge Ram
3500 4 x 4 as a donor. vertigo


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SOME VALUABLE INFORMATION TO CONSIDER WHEN USING A DONOR VEHICLE FRAME

TONER’s TRUCK FRAME COMANDMENTS:

WHEN POSSIBLE, IT IS BETTER TO MOVE THE POSITION OF THE REAR AXLE THAN
TO CUT AND MODIFY A FRAME.

FATIGUE IS WHAT KILLS TRUCK FRAMES – NOT TENSILE OR YIELD STRENGTH.

AN OPEN HOLE CONCENTRATES STRESS FROM 2.5 to 3 TIMES.

USE EXISTING FRAME HOLES

WHEN POSSIBLE USE THE EXISTING MOUNTING LOCATIONS FROM THE MANUFACTURER.

IT IS BETTER FOR A BODY TO BE MOUNTED SOLIDLY AT THE REAR AND FLOATED
AT THE FRONT.

THE MORE AGE AND MILES ON A FRAME THE MORE FREQUENT THE NEED FOR INSPECTION.

HOLES AND WELDING NEAR FLANGES INCREASE THE RISK OF FRAME FAILURE.

AVOID MAKING HOLES, WELDING ON, AND NOTCHING OR CREATING OTHER
DISCONTINUITIES THAT WILL CONCENTRATE STRESS.

A RUSTED FRAME THAT HAS LOST INTEGRITY CAN NOT BE REPAIRED.

RICHARD TONER has spent entire days giving a truck-frame seminar for
the National Truck Equipment Association. He knows that much about
truck frames.

Toner, president of Toner & Associates (Pentwater, Michigan) and the
NTEA's first staff engineer said the frame is “the backbone of the
truck” because “it carries the loads we put on trucks.”

“Trucks use ladder-type frames with side rails and cross members, and
the frames are subjected to three types of loads: vertical, torsional,
and side.

Side rails support vertical and side loads such as engine,
transmission, fuel tanks, battery boxes, suspensions, bodies, work
equipment, and cargo. The cross members provide torsional rigidity and
support components such as the engine, transmission, and radiator. In
addition, the cross members prevent the side rails from twisting with
side loads such as the fuel tank and battery box.

“A frame section supported at each end loaded in the middle is in
compression at the top and in tension at the bottom,” he said. “There
is a neutral axis where there is no stress in the frame. Holes and
welding at the neutral axis will not significantly affect frame
strength. Holes and welding near the flanges can cause frame failure.
Chassis manufacturers restrict the size and location of holes and most
also restrict welding on the frames.”

Toner said ultimate/tensile strength is the maximum stress before
failure by separating; dynamic loading are loads put into a frame from
acceleration, braking, road irregularities, etc.; and fatigue is the
behavior of a material when subjected to cyclically applied stress,
which can result in a crack and failure.

“Fatigue is when you bend something until it breaks. Every material
has an elastic zone. If I bend the material and don't exceed the yield
strength, it will come back. If I get past the yield strength, I've
strained it. It doesn't go back to the original shape.”

He said reinforcements are popular because they're easy to put on. But
“I'm not big on bolted reinforcements. If you weld it in, it'll be
strong.”

Moment of inertia is a mathematical representation of the shape of a
frame rail, and is represented by “I.” SM = I/d. And deflection = W ×
l3/k × E × I.

He said as wheelbases get longer, deflection becomes important. The
rule of thumb is that with wheelbases under 160", design for strength;
and with wheelbases over 160", design for deflection.

“If you're going to lengthen the wheelbase on a chassis, never go
beyond the wheelbase the chassis manufacturer recommends without
taking a look at it and seeing what you're going to do,” he said.

He said endurance limit is the maximum stress that a material can
tolerate indefinitely without failure; fatigue strength is the stress
level corresponding to a definite life; and stress concentration is a
hole, weld, crack, notch, or other discontinuity that concentrates
stress. .

Stress concentration is a sixth-power effect when the stress level is
above the endurance limit. Doubling the stress decreases the life by a
factor of 64, so a 300,000-mile truck becomes a 5,000-mile truck.

“Truck frames are usually modified to change the chassis wheelbase for
proper weight distribution,” he said. “Frame modifications are more
common on medium- and heavy-duty trucks, although some light-duty
chassis are extended for applications such as car carriers. When
possible, it is better to move the position of the rear axle than to
cut and modify a frame.”

Toner said the purpose of body mounts is to attach the body to the
truck frame without doing more harm than good and retain the body in
all horizontal directions.

“Harm can be done by concentrating stress and not allowing the frame
to flex,” he said. “Rear mounts could be shear plates or some other
rigid configuration that prevents movement. Front mounts should be
flexible or placed to avoid stress concentrations and high moments.”

He said mounts can be combined to take advantage of the best features
of more than one type. Spacer strips used between the body and truck
frame perform multiple functions: cushioning member, sacrificial wear
member, and stress-spreading member. Rigid mounts should be used at
the rear and flexible mounts at the front. The front mount should not
be at the front of the body.

Toner said there are three basic types of body mounts: flexible,
rigid, and combination. Rigid mounts should be used at the rear, and
flexible mounts at the front.

He said that even though U-bolt body mountings are popular, they are
among the least effective mounting systems.

“Are they bad by themselves? No,” he said. “But they don't tend to stay tight.”

He said if they are used, proper frame spacers must be used. Some of
the problems are loosening, not preventing forward movement of the
body, and frame damage. He said frame flanges should never be notched
for a body mount.

“The body should not be rigid at the front,” he said. “It is better to
be mounted solidly at the rear and float at the front. Avoid high
moment areas for the mounting brackets. Use existing frame holes when
possible.”
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SECTIONAL SLICING OF PLASTIC MODELS

My favorite scroll saw for sectional slicing is the WEN 1.2 Amp
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use 400 strokes per minute to sectional slice plastic models.

Fixed speed scroll saws have too fast of a stroke per minute speed.
You could buy a more expensive scroll saw but for sectional slicing
plastic models this saw has every feature you really need. In fact,
many of the more expensive scroll saws, some costing 600.00 or more
have minimal speeds of 550 strokes per minute. With speeds above 400
strokes per minute you start to have major problems with melting the
plastic. The only limitation is that it cuts material up to 1.9 inches
thick. The saw could be modified with a thin metal table to open the
cutting thickness up to 3 inches. The max is about 4 inches since the
5” blades need one inch for stroke distance and end of blade holding
devices. If you need more depth of cut you could move up to a small
band saw.

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SECTIONAL SLICING OF PLASTIC MODELS

I use a variable speed scroll saw with an OLSON SPIRAL TOOTH BLADE,
set on the lowest speed to avoid melting the plastic.

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Posted 8/12/2016 7:29:36 PM
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Hello everyone,
Bought a donor vehicle today for my DOJ Batmobile build.
vertigo


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Posted 8/13/2016 4:06:12 PM


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Beautiful!! I see you went with a shorter wheelbase. Do you plan to stretch it or move the axle back?
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Posted 8/13/2016 6:40:09 PM
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Didn't set out to acquire the shorter wheel base but when I found the 2004 Dodge Ram 1500 with only 80,000 miles for a very reasonable price it was too good of a deal to pass up. Was looking for a Dodge 3500 when I started my search. Currently leaning towards building a second heavy duty triangle reinforced frame out of 3" X 6" X 1/4" wall rectangular tubing and integrating the existing Dodge frame. By integrating the existing frame I can still use the Dodge truck VIN number. Will be stretching out the integrated double frame, moving the rear axle, probably building a 4-link set up rear axle which I suspect is what is in the movie Batmobile.
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Posted 8/13/2016 7:42:14 PM
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HOW MUCH ARE YOU SKEWED?
1:1 and movie correct is for the purist.
< 1:1 scale reduction but movie correct usually for the street legal purist.
Both 1:1 full-sized and reduced scale Bat Vehicle replicas would be considered skewed if they were not movie correct.
Whether a Bat Vehicle replica is skewed just a little, or skewed a lot, all these builds would be considered skewed. It’s just a matter of degree and how free of conformity they are willing to let themselves become.
1:1 movie correct replica builds chain the builder, restraining their creativity in many ways; allowing for only exact copying. Some would say their freedom is in their methods and satisfaction lies in how close they can replicate the original.
At that moment when a builder declares their independence from building movie correct and from conformity of scale they truly have creative freedom. They are free to travel the continuums of creative dreams and to experience the exhilaration of unrestrained imaginings that exist between perfect reality and total abstraction. However, most soon trade their creative freedoms for the security of conformity. If doubts of this persist, one need only look at the entries in the annual Gum Ball 3000 Rallies and similar events. Most of those that enter obviously have the means to enter with expensive cars but most of the cars lack much more individual creative identity than a fancy paint job and maybe an attached spoiler, etc. The Tumbler in a past rally, and the Arkam Batmobile in the latest, and very few other entries, have exhibited an individual creative identity.

So, when a skewed builder says it should, ought, must, and/or would be better, if something about his build were some other way he has the will and power over his creative freedom.
So, dare to build bold, climbing towards your impossible dreams, with courage and vigor, in the face of those who said you could not. vertigo
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