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 Posted 7/17/2016 8:05:22 PM |
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Hello everyone,
My current life and work finds me traveling a lot so my physical work on my Tumbler has averaged out to one hour a day for the past two years. But with my traveling comes the advantages of down time, layovers, etc.
I say advantages because what I use to dread I now use an average of 4-hours a day on computer research, CAD/CAM, etc., etc... Much of it on Batmobiles and related studies. So, a few months ago I had pretty well run out of things to do with my Tumbler and since then have spent over 200-hours studying the Batman v Superman DOJ Batmobile. First, out of curiosity, but after a few hundred hours it has kind of grown on me.
All that said, I have decided to start a Batman v Superman Batmobile build. I plan to walk anyone interested in building this vehicle along through the conceptualization/inspiration steps, effective use of models, reverse design, and physical building. I'll give you my logic and strategies that I believe are necessary to build this vehicle. Even, show you the steps as I go along on this build. But, I won't give or sell you copies of my plans, drawings, CAD/CAM files, etc. But, I will show you how to do the work for yourself. Since this Batmobile is going to be around in the movies for the next 12-15 years, I hope some of you out there will join me by starting builds of your own. Not just full size builds but also I would like to see some 1/6 and 1/3 scale model builds. vertigo
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| Posted 7/17/2016 9:28:54 PM |
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Supreme Being
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Who would want to build that crappy Batmobile? 
OK, seriously, My banishment to this desert island will be ending in a couple of weeks and I am looking forward to getting something done.
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| Posted 7/19/2016 6:43:53 PM |
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Hello everyone,
So I and maybe you have decided to build a Batman v Superman DOJ
Batmobile. Now, we need to establish a clear build perspective by
eliminating uncertain, vague, and unresolved struggles within our
internal view of this Batmobile. Think about the build until you know you
are satisfied with the overall parameters you have chosen. If in
doubt, think it out, until certain. Now ask yourself: WHY DO I WANT
TO BUILD THIS BATMOBILE? WHAT DO I EXPECT TO GET FROM THE BUILD IF I
SUCCEED IN COMPLETING IT? When you no longer struggle with indecision
and ambiguity, only then will you have CLARITY of vision.
CLARITY: Define it and narrow down the build parameters until you can
live with them.
Next two post might help in this as they will cover perspective, movie
correct v street legal, ratio scaling, and other issues. vertigo
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| Posted 7/19/2016 6:45:57 PM |
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Hello everyone,
So I and maybe you have decided to build a Batman v Superman DOJ
Batmobile. Now, we need to establish a clear build perspective by
eliminating uncertain, vague, and unresolved struggles within our
internal view of this Batmobile. Think about the build until you know you
are satisfied with the overall parameters you have chosen. If in
doubt, think it out, until certain. Now ask yourself: WHY DO I WANT
TO BUILD THIS BATMOBILE? WHAT DO I EXPECT TO GET FROM THE BUILD IF I
SUCCEED IN COMPLETING IT? When you no longer struggle with indecision
and ambiguity, only then will you have CLARITY of vision.
CLARITY: Define it and narrow down the build parameters until you can
live with them.
Next two post might help in this as they will cover perspective, movie
correct v street legal, ratio scaling, and other issues. vertigo
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| Posted 7/19/2016 7:04:47 PM |
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Hello everyone,
Here are a few images to give you some perspective.
Perspective refers to the relationship of imaged objects in a
photograph. This includes their relative positions and sizes and the
space between them. In other words, perspective in the composition of
a photograph is the way real three-dimensional objects are pictured in
a photograph that has a two-dimensional plane.
Attached are the side, back, front, and top views of the B v S DOJ
Batmobile. Vertigo
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| Posted 7/19/2016 7:16:41 PM |
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Hello everyone,
Deciding on Building Scale and Overall Dimensional Parameters
1:1 Movie correct in every aspect ratio and scaling variable – show grade.
Reduced scale but still movie correct in every aspect ratio and
scaling variable except for a reduction in the 1:1 scale . Common
reduced scales that are used mostly in custom model making are 1/4 -
1/6 – 1/10 – 1/12 – 1/18 – 1/24 – 1/25.
Less common reduced scales are 1/3 and 1/2 used in some models and go carts.
Street legal replica scaling often uses non-standard reduced ratio
proportional scaling, as example, 1:87, or some other ratio. The
reduced scale is still movie correct in every aspect ratio and scaling
variable except for a reduction in the 1:1 scale. Usually this is done
in response to public roadway width restrictions.
Street legal replica mixed scaling. Primarily uses one principal ratio
of proportional scaling that is movie correct in every aspect where
possible for most of the scaling. But, deviates in some areas with
other ratios of proportional scaling in response to roadway
restrictions so as to remain street legal. Could be just the tires or
it could be much more complex, such as using a 1:1 scale for
everything seen from a side view, a skewed 1:66 width by 1:1 tall for
the front and rear views, and a skewed 1:1 long by 1:66 wide for top,
and bottom views. Could even involve breaking up individual elements
into X, Y, and Z, then altering each of these axis individually with
three different scales.
And if this isn’t enough, one could engage in
element warping, which is basically modifying individual elements on
the continuum scale that lies between perfect representational reality
and total abstraction. vertigo
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| Posted 7/19/2016 7:24:19 PM |
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Hello everyone,
WHY THE MOEBIUS 1/25th MODEL IS BETTER THAN THE HOT TOYS 1/6 th.
First, the CAD/CAM draftsman, engineers, and artists have done a great
amount of work for you. They have used their collective skills and
intellects to break the eclectic total form of the real DOJ Batmobile
down into very well thought out and logical modular units.
(MODULARITY) On the other hand, the HOT TOYs 1/6th model is a very
detailed but still in the eclectic total form and lacks any modular
breakdown. In fact, one could take the MOEBIUS model and scale up each
individual part exactly in every detail as it is in the kit in a high
strength composite and assemble it with epoxy. Wouldn’t that be nice?
Modify your full scale kit as needed to fit on a chassis and you are
pretty well done. The MOEBIUS model sells for less than 50.00
delivered to your door while the HOT TOYS 1/6 th is estimated to cost,
when released, between 1500-3,000.00 and maybe a lot more, since they
plan to release a very limited run of 500 or less worldwide. The
street legal builder would gain very little from the HOT TOYs 1/6th
for the money spent. The MOEBIUS model provides all the valuable
scaling parameters and modularity. Plenty of quality images are now
found on the internet that can be used to fill in as much missing
detail as you want to add. Maybe, you could justify the HOT TOYs 1/6
th if you are building a movie correct replica or large scale model.
Still, photo images would do a better job, when one remembers that HOT
TOYS simplifies many of the larger details and omits most of the small
ones on their 1/6 th models. I just ordered four of the MOEBIUS models
for use in making my blueprints, scalable measurements, and modules.
You will need 4 if you are following along with me on this build to
make your own. Vertigo
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| Posted 7/20/2016 4:43:23 PM |
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hello everyone,
The Alliance tire chart I looked at only rated the Alliance 328 for a max of 40
mph and listed no DOT rating.
There are tires close to dimensions of the Alliance 328 that are made
by Mickey Thompson, Hoosier, Interco Tire Company and Titan Tire
Corporation. Many of their large tires can be bought as DOT street
legal radials. My Tumbler will have Interco Super Swampers on the back
and Mickey Thompsons on the front.
You can also go to tiresize.com or look up 40 inch tires for 18 – 20 –
22 or 24 inch wheels. Still exploring this last one.
There are many factors to consider in choosing the tires for my B v S DOJ Batmobile.
I will research this very carefully before I make my decision. vertigo
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| Posted 7/20/2016 10:27:10 PM |
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Supreme Being
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I've done a LOT of study on the tires. There are lots of concerns there. Not the least of which is that the originals are skid steer tires that only fit on a unusual size asian rim. Difficult to come by. Then, as I am using a truck chassis as a donor, there is the problem of mating a tractor hub on the truck spindle and having room for the needed brakes.
As for the Mobius model, I don't know if the Hot Toys one would be helpful or not. I think it would be nice to have but, as you have said, not necessary. One problem with the 1:25 scale is that it is so small that any slight variation in measurement is greatly exaggerated when "blown up". Btw, I believe 1:25 indicated metric scale while 1:24 would indicate imperial scale.
And your discussion of scale....... It looks like street legal in most US states is no wider than 8' 6". The body of the car fits within this limit at full scale. The problem comes with the addition of the wheels. Now if you choose to modify the wheels or their placement you could build at full scale. I am choosing to build at 80% size because I feel the aesthetic of the wheels is very important to the look of the car. Low and wide!!
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| Posted 7/21/2016 4:24:42 PM |
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About that DOT tire rating,
If your tire doesn't have a DOT number branded on its side, the tire
doesn't meet all U.S. requirements. Not all tires are intended to be imported and sold in the United States, so the tire may have been developed and produced without being tested and confirmed to meet the
U.S. Federal Vehicle Safety Standards (FMVSS). As a result, these tires cannot legally be used in the United States on public roads.
Penalties: Can be a fix-it ticket to 500.oo fine.
Many state, and some local police report it to your insurance company
who will likely void your auto-insurance. Get into an accident and you
will be sued for everything you own. vertigo
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