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Posted 6/26/2017 7:32:01 PM
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Further research finds that the hot air balloon gas burners run 5000.oo to 8000.oo.
Developed as an alternative to the FireFly T-3 Burner in the 1990's, the Mirage soon became the standard in ballooning for which all other burners were compared. With its unique design, whisper quiet flame and unsurpassed power, to this day no other burner can compete.
The Mirage comes as standard equipment on all FireFly systems. The Mirage burner has a built in redundant burner called Fire 2. Fire 2, runs independently from the standard Mirage burner. In the unlikely event of a main burner or hose failure, the Mirage can be operated with ease using the Fire 2 backup system. Running on liquid alone the Fire 2 is also great for Glows!

Stainless steel encloses the Inconel coils providing extra heat to vaporize the propane and add to the efficiency of the burner. Inconel is used for the coils due to the fact that it doesn't break down over time from being heated over and over. It is more costly than stainless but well worth the price.
With three simple clips the burner is mounted in the uprights making it the easiest burner to install and remove from your FireFly system.


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Posted 6/26/2017 7:40:27 PM
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Be honest. Is this not the afterburner effect we would really like to have!

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Posted 6/27/2017 6:58:20 PM
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"I would think the problem with a propane flame is that it is not very visible. Maybe some color could be added in some way." sly

One can add orange or yellow very easily to propane.
Orange: add more air to propane/air mix.
Yellow: subtract air from the propane/air mix.
There are also other gases and micro-fine chemical powders, sold by pyro special effects suppliers, that can be injected into the propane/air burning jet to create other flame color exhausts.

See the image of the special effects motion picture flame thrower.
The fire you see is being made by a combination of air/propane, orfice size, and jet pattern.


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Posted 7/3/2017 7:23:19 PM
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Top 3 Batmobiles: The Best of the Batmobiles
Visual Iconic Pop Culture in Art and Media
James Romeo
January 25, 2016

“What was the best Batmobile to ever appear in visual media?
Everyone has their own likes and dislikes about movies and comics,
such is the nature of any media or art form. Warning: Opinions will
vary from individual to individual.

#3 – 2005 Tumbler (The Dark Knight Trilogy)
The core concept of the entire Nolan series of films was built on one
question: What if Batman was actually real? He would actually need a
car that actually could get the job done.
The Tumbler takes the concept and creatively elaborates the idea of
the Batmobile being an all-terrain vehicle. It smashes through
everything and uses its weight and momentum to go from place to place.
This is the most “realistic” interpretation of the Batmobile to ever
be shown on a movie screen.

#2 – 1966 Batmobile (Batman the Movie/Series)
Everything in the 1960s was about style, colorful and cool. It was a
colorful, lighthearted Batmobile for a lighthearted time in the
character’s history. It resurrected Batman from the black and white
serials. The television show borrowed elements from the 1950s comics
of Batman. The 1966 Batmobile also marked the first occasion audiences
saw the afterburner that propelled the Batmobile in live action,
something that was a part of the comics. This Batmobile was versatile
and useful with its endless array of functions and gadgets combined
with a very unique and bright sense of style. The word iconic it often
found in the company of its description.

#1 – 1989 Batmobile (Batman 1989)
Many believe this to be the best adaptation of the Batmobile in live
action. Michael Keaton’s version from Tim Burton’s film in 1989 is the
one that most people think of when they think of a dark, brooding, and
stylish version of the Batmobile. Enforcing a sense of seriousness,
style, and implied power is what makes this work so well. What you
have is something that is sleek looking and bold with its presence
each time you see the Batmobile appear on screen. It has thick armor,
machine guns, a jet turbine engine, sleek body, and much more, that
give it an intimidating and serious presence each time you see it. It
is the polar opposite interpretation of the 1966 Batmobile, which only
helped to reinforce the idea of Tim Burton’s film being a completely
new take on the dark knight at the time.”

Looked at fifty or so, top ten, top five, and top three ranking sites,
blogs, and postings, ranking the Batmobiles for variable combinations
that included some of the following qualities: screen presentation,
originality, beauty, iconic, gaudiness, design, technology, style,
realism, boldness, intimidation, seriousness, darkness, power,
practicality, and usefulness to Batman. Ninety percent ranked the 1989
as the number one best overall Batmobile, the 1966 as the number two
and most recognizable, and the Tumbler as the number three and most
realistic. Personally, I find something to like in all the Batmobile variations. vertigo
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Posted 7/5/2017 7:32:15 PM
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I placed a copy of this post here for anyone planning to build a Bat
Vehicle that may find it useful.

A good example of the benefits of procedural order and modular finishing in Bat Vehicle building.
Pre-installation grinding, sanding, polishing, finishing, and painting assemblies like an axle before installation will save you many hours of work and avoid a lot of aggravation.

“A bit of advice, if you can try and paint and finish bits like
your chassis, etc. as you’re going along. It becomes a real pain
coming back removing bits and pieces and proper access to parts
becomes awkward.” paulwayne

I like the way great minds think the same.

Like you suggested, I plan to paint and finish build part groups as I
go along. That’s why I didn’t mount the axle to the chassis mounts
before stopping to build the rear panels with recessed propane gas
tanks.
As you suggested, I plan to paint the rear axle with POR-15 before I
physically suspend it on the four-link suspension.
The axle with welded on truss will take some time to paint to get
inside the truss. I expect I will need to rotate the axle assembly
around 360 degrees, a little at a time, to be able to reach everything
with the POR-15 coating. If I had mounted the axle before painting, it
would have made coating the axle a major ordeal.
vertigo
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Posted 7/6/2017 7:08:22 PM
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I posted a copy of this post here because it might be of some benefit
to anyone planning, starting, or currently building a Bat Vehicle.
What I learned from welding my hemi-joint threaded tubing inserts.
Used standard tactical spaced welding techniques to equalize heated metal expansion and contraction forces.
In spite of rigorous application when the hemi-joint was screwed in it went in easily until it reached a point inside equal to where the threaded insert was welded to the tubing.
When I checked the concentricity (equal roundness) inside it was in round.
So why did the threaded hemi-joint bind.
Called the father of a friend if mine, a retired NASA metallurgist that specialized in extreme welding while working in the space program.
Here is his answer:
"Hemi-joints that thread into threaded tubing inserts will bind if the threads are cut to normal standard fit because when the insert is welded around the outside, the thermal forces from the welding create an inward pressure on the inside threads. It is also the reason that a thread cutting tap is used as standard procedure to true up the threads. The ones that don't bind have much less tightness in their thread fit to address the thermal welding forces."
So, I will be buying right and left hand taps. vertigo


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Posted 7/12/2017 5:16:26 PM
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I placed a copy of this post here for its potential use to anyone
planning to or actually building a Bat Vehicle.

Miller weld forum: Mig Dual-shield Fluxcore wire has replaced Stick
welding for many processes. So, why do many Mig welders still use
stick welding also?

Stick welding is still used by many Mig welders when the situation
calls for flatter and deeper penetration welds in new structural steel
and when welding rusty, dirty, oily, and painted metal, often in an
adverse environment.

In reality, the choice usually depends on the operator skills,
confidence, and the machine's power. Sure many people can make Mig
welding with gas shielded solid wire look good in flat position with a
few minutes of practice and a well set machine.

They have a much harder time when they are called on to weld on
anything but new, clean, and acetone degreased metal. It may look
good, but the truth is many people just don't have a complete grasp on
the concept and finer details on how to run and weld with Mig.

For one thing, you'll see them running a bead that is much too wide.
Sorry but a .030" wire can't create a good puddle that is half an inch
wide. They rarely get proper penetration because they put most of the
heat into the puddle instead of fresh metal; a disaster in the making.

Stick welding gets a lot of its good properties from the flux. Good
cleaning action which reduces the chances of bad weld quality if there
was any dirt, rust, oil, paint, etc. Penetration will generally be
better, mostly for the untrained.

So, what do professional welders use when they need the benefits of
stick welding? Dual-shield fluxcore is what is used in real
production. It requires a shielding gas. Usually pure Co2 or C25.
Dual-shield Fluxcore has replaced Stick for many processes. It has
good penetration, good weld properties, cleaning action from the flux,
and is capable of very fast deposition rates compared to stick and gas
shielded solid mig wire.

Keep your beads narrow and watch the digging action.

Remember Voltage isn't the heat (amp) control. The wire speed controls
the amperage. Voltage controls wetting action and burn back.”
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Posted 7/15/2017 6:08:48 PM


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I started building a half size tumbler but after vertigo said I should just go full size I thought about it and thought yep that's the go I will go full size so I've got my 1:6 scale tumbler I'm getting the measurements from and scaling them up to full size. Making cardboard templates 1st and see where I go from there. Thanks for all the info
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Posted 7/16/2017 8:15:52 PM
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Placed a copy of this post here for anyone that might benefit from this information that is planning or building a Bat Vehicle.
Welding hemi-joint threaded tubing inserts. (bungs)

Here is a really good YouTube video with lots of detail on welding hemi-joint threaded tubing inserts.
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Posted 7/21/2017 8:17:48 PM
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I posted a copy of this post here because it might be of some benefit
to someone planning, starting, or currently building a Bat Vehicle.

Projection and Progress Reports are an excellent way to move any Bat
Vehicle build forward. Here is mine for my Tumbler build.

PROGRESS REPORT: 3-months later
Posted this list on 4-21-2017

Vertigo's Tumbler Build Update: Projected close range work.

COMPLETED:

Will be adding and welding in more structural steel tubing to back end
of Tumbler. (completed)

Have ordered 2" X 1/4" wall DOM steel tubing, heavy duty 4-link hemi
end axle suspension kit, heavy

duty axle truss, and associated hemi end connection brackets/mounts.
(completed cutting, welding, and installation)

Have ordered 4-rear 44" Interco SAM-43 Super Swamper tires. Back
ordered until 1-MAY-2017. (completed: in my possession)

Waiting for 2 custom built front wheels. Expected delivery early
June-2017. (Completed: received them in July-2017)

Constructed rear body panels and mounted 4-recessed propane tanks for
rear afterburner assembly. (Completed)

STILL IN PROGRESS:

Once Super Swamper 44" Interco tires arrive will mount one on a single
mount wheel and inflate to proper pressure and use to get accurate
measurements before finalizing design for custom rear wheels. (still
in progress but should not take too much time)

Once design for rear wheels is finalized will order custom wheels and
expect delivery in a month or so. (still in progress: custom wheels
usually take 3-4 months to receive.)

Will also probably end up refitting the GM 14 bolt axle with disk
brakes. (still in progress: but should not take too much time. Hope to
complete by end of July-2017)
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