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  Epoxy resin
 From: Nitro | Posted: 8/26/2005 4:47:49 AM |
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Epoxy resin

Ok epoxy resin seems to be the resin of choice if it was affordable.
1.Can you use epoxy resin as a casting resin as well,like the product Alumilite?
2.Can epoxy resin be found affordable any where in USA,with out buying 50 gallons?
3.I see Dow Corning epoxy resin on E -Bay Kind of reasonable do you think this is becouse it is old stock ?
4.Are all epoxy resins the same?



 From: Tim | Posted: 8/26/2005 7:55:01 AM |
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I order my stuff from U.S. Composites who seem to have pretty good prices.

All prices are for 1 Gallon
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$21.50 Standard polyester resin
$22.95 Premium polyester resin
$27.50 Tooling polyester resin

$31.50 Epoxy resin (slow)
$37.14 Epoxy resin (medium)
$38.80 Epoxy resin (fast)

$34.50 Vinylester Resin






 From: Nitro | Posted: 8/26/2005 8:50:49 AM |
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Good answer Tim thanks.


 From: Tim | Posted: 8/26/2005 11:07:43 AM |
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Epoxy Resin vs. Vinylesters and Polyesters


In the marine industry, liquid plastics, namely epoxies, polyesters, and vinylesters are used to saturate (wet out) the fibers of wood, glass, kevlar amarid, or carbon to form a fiber reinforced plastic (FRP).  To create a quality part, adhesion to the fibers is the most important factor.  Not all resins keep their grip on fibers equally.


Epoxy resin is known in the marine industry for its incredible toughness and bonding strength.  Quality epoxy resins stick to other materials with 2,000-p.s.i. vs. only 500-p.s.i. for vinylester resins and even less for polyesters.  In areas that must be able to flex and strain WITH the fibers  without micro-fracturing, epoxy resins offer much greater capability. Cured epoxy tends to be very resistant to moisture absorption.  Epoxy resin will bond dissimilar or already-cured materials which makes repair work that is  very reliable and strong.  Epoxy actually bonds to all sorts of fibers very well and also offers excellent results in repair-ability when it is used to bond two different materials together. Initally, epoxy resin is much more difficult to work with and requires additional skill by the technicians who handle it.


Vinylester resins are stronger than polyester resins and cheaper than epoxy resins. Vinylester resins utilize a polyester resin type of cross-linking molecules in the bonding process.  Vinylester is a hybrid form of polyester resin which has been toughened with epoxy molecules within the main moleculer structure.  Vinyester resins offer better resistance to moisture absorption than polyester resins but it's downside is in the use of liquid styrene to thin it out (not good to breath that stuff) and its sensitivity to atmospheric moisture and temperature. Sometimes it won't cure if the atmospheric conditions are not right.  It also has difficulty in bonding dissimilar and already-cured materials.  It is not unusual for repair patches on vinylester resin canoes to delaminate or peel off.   As vinylester resin ages, it becomes a different resin (due to it's continual curing as it ages) so new vinylester resin sometimes resists bonding to your older canoe, or will bond and then later peel off at a bad time. It is also known that vinylester resins bond very well to fiberglass, but offer a poor bond to kevlar and carbon fibers due to the nature of those two more exotic fibers.  Due to the touchy nature of vinylester resin, careful surface preparation is necessary if reasonable adhesion is desired for any repair work. 


Polyester resin is the cheapest resin available in the marine industry and offers the poorest adhesion, has the highest water absorption, highest shrinkage, and high VOC's.  Polyester resin is only compatible with fiberglass fibers and is best suited to building things that are not weight sensitive.  It is also not tough and fractures easily. Polyesters tend to end up with micro-cracks and are tough to re-bond and suffer from osmotic blistering when untreated by an epoxy resin barrier to water.  This is really cheap stuff.


Summary - Epoxy resin has far more to offer in its ability to flex, prevent delamination, and ease of use for repairwork. Using epoxy resin leads to better quality products. 



Last Edited by Tim: 8/26/2005 11:28:47 AM

 From: Kevin | Posted: 8/26/2005 11:46:10 AM |
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Great job guys: I see you have been doing your home work. The only draw back to Epoxy resin is the shelf life. So the answer to that is only buy what you can use in the immediate future...


 From: Webmaster | Posted: 8/26/2005 12:06:31 PM |
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So which one gets you high most? And possibly make ur hairs fall out


 From: Tim | Posted: 8/26/2005 1:07:59 PM |
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I guess that would be Polyester...




 From: Justin | Posted: 8/26/2005 1:13:05 PM |
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You kinda remind me of Edward Norton from American History X.

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 From: Tim | Posted: 8/26/2005 1:39:18 PM |
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You should see my big swastika tat.


 From: Justin | Posted: 8/26/2005 1:48:00 PM |
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Easy man... Newbies can't read sarcasm on the board!

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 From: Jimmy | Posted: 8/26/2005 1:50:23 PM |
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AW, C'mon Tim! You weren't a racist back when I used to hang out on the board! Why would you start now?? You know I'm half black, right?

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 From: Justin | Posted: 8/26/2005 1:52:28 PM |
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HEY! I saw an Adam Sandler marathon last night on USA! That quote is from Happy Gilmore! Nice.

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 From: Webmaster | Posted: 8/26/2005 1:52:52 PM |
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 From: Justin | Posted: 8/26/2005 1:54:11 PM |
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 From: Tim | Posted: 8/26/2005 1:57:36 PM |
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How do I keep starting trouble?


 From: Justin | Posted: 8/26/2005 2:55:17 PM |
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Eh, you know Jimmy. We've all grown to tolerate him over the last year or so!

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 From: fanaticsincebirth | Posted: 8/27/2005 5:02:38 AM |

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I've been a Batman fanatic since 1988, born 1983.

 From: Tim | Posted: 8/27/2005 6:30:36 AM |
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Congratulations. It was a movie reference and it was sarcasm. Don't think you're clever and try to make it sound like something else.


 From: Kevin | Posted: 9/5/2005 8:35:08 AM |
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You use mold release to keep the resin from sticking to the molds. There are two basic types a sprayed on thin film coating that is water soluble and a wipe on type that is like a polish. That can be used many times until recoating.


 From: KeatonCar | Posted: 9/5/2005 3:56:39 PM |
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Tim,

You used to remind me of Top Gun era Kilmer in the camping trip pic, but now........ Sirus " The Virus" Grissom from Con Air.





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 From: Webmaster | Posted: 9/5/2005 4:13:52 PM |
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 From: Dee | Posted: 9/5/2005 4:30:47 PM |
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Sweet
I was thinkin Stone Cold Steve Austin. WWE




 From: Tim | Posted: 9/5/2005 10:02:18 PM |
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You guys are funny...




 From: Kevin | Posted: 9/6/2005 1:03:56 PM |
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The lay up method I use is...

1. Black gel coat
2. 3/4 oz. mat.
3. 18 oz. woven cloth
4. 1-1/2 oz. mat

If the gel coat is thick enough there should be no bleed through of the mat or cloth.













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