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  1989 BATMOBILE REPLICA FAQ
 From: Tim | Posted: 8/18/2005 1:33:57 PM |
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Both hand laid and chopper gun sprayed parts can and should be rolled out to eliminate voids/air bubbles. The main difference is that hand laid fiberglass allows better control for a uniform thickness. Chopper guns allow for parts to be laid quickly and that is why it is popular. Many, if not most, fiberglass boat builders use chopper guns. Quality parts can and are made with chopper guns.

Here one guy is spraying glass and another guy is rolling it.



Last Edited by Tim: 8/18/2005 1:50:08 PM

 From: Kevin | Posted: 8/18/2005 1:53:33 PM |
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Donít forget hand laid is far superior in strength over chopped.


 From: Tim | Posted: 8/18/2005 1:57:23 PM |
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That depends on what you're hand laying. I don't think that hand laid chop mat is really any stronger than if it were sprayed. Hand laid cloth is, of course.

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 From: Kevin | Posted: 8/18/2005 2:18:18 PM |
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There are many types of cloth and mat there is ďSĒ glass cloth, roving interlocking cloth. There many different ounces of mat and cloth used in a particular lay up, there is cloth sewn into mat and the list goes on and on, Kevlar cloth used with epoxy resins.
Yes; your Wal-Mart brand mat isnít much better that blown I am talking commercial grade mat and cloth. All of the exotic composites, epoxies, carbon fiber composites were first used in the military I never saw any of our contractors blowing any aircraft parts. They were hand laid, bagged, injected, extrudedÖ..



 From: Tim | Posted: 8/18/2005 2:19:33 PM |
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I don't disagree with you. I wasn't comparing materials, I was only comparing the methods of laying it.

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 From: Justin | Posted: 8/18/2005 3:05:52 PM |
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Ok, ok... SO far we are managing to keep this relatively civil (compared to say, Eric's board or a Bad Religion concert) - Let's see how long that will last!

I am glad other people are chiming in with their own opinions. As I stated in the guide, I am no expert. It is just a relative starting point. I am glad you guys are accepting it as such! And yes, Mark is one of the potentials I was talking about in the guide. That is, unless you have already molded your '89, Mark? If so, cool! Can we see pics of your buildup?

Also - and I know I might take some flack for this from some people (including my friends) but I am starting to really warm up to the idea of using a C4 Corvette for the '66 Batmobile. I still don't know about the '89, cuz I haven't really looked into it. But I was looking at C4 Vettes on Auto Trader yesterday, cuz it looks like I am getting my COMPLETE Hines kit in January (YAY!). The thing that finally convinced me was the thread on Eric's board about the flares, and the whole width issue of the kit. Of course, Doug's kit might and probably does have different dimensions, but I will cross that bridge when I get to it. One question Mark - do you have to stretch the chassis when you use the C4 for a '66? You do, right?


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 From: Justin | Posted: 8/18/2005 3:07:49 PM |
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Oh and hey, one of the OTHER potentials I was referring to (HINT HINT WINK WINK) should get to work molding that car! It is the best one I have seen so far...

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 From: Tim | Posted: 8/18/2005 3:17:47 PM |
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Thanks, Justin, but it's not quite ready yet...

Here are a couple videos for anyone interested to know what a chopper gun is.

Video 1

Video 2


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 From: Kevin | Posted: 8/18/2005 8:37:04 PM |
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 From: Tim | Posted: 8/18/2005 11:44:21 PM |
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 From: Justin | Posted: 8/19/2005 2:11:15 AM |
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What are the odds??

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 From: MARK TOWLE | Posted: 8/19/2005 10:11:36 PM |
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WOW! ISNT IT FUNNY HOW YOU CAN MAKE SOMETHING LOOK IF YOU ONLY GIVE HALF THE TRUTH ..THATS IS WHATS WRONG WITH THIS BAT WORLD SO MANY PEOPLE ONLY HAVE HALF THE INFORMATION AND RUN WITH IT LIKE CHICKEN LITTLE "THE SKY IS FALLING".............I HAND LAY ALL MY SMALL PARTS THERE IS NOTHING WRONG WITH HAND LAID FIBERGLASS ITS JUST NOT AS PROFESSIONAL OR AS DURABLE AS BLOWN THATS IS WHY GUYS LIKE MYSELF AN TO DROP A FEW NAMES JACK ROUSH (ROUSH RACING) STEVE MILLEN (STILLEN RACING) SALEEN (FACTORY BODY KITS FOR FORD AND THE S1) HONDA OF AMERICA TO NAME A FEW.........................ALL USE THE SAME FACTORY TO CHOP OUR BODIES AN MAJOR PARTS I THINK IF CHOP IS SO BAD THAN IM IN GOOD COMPANY BELIVEING OTHERWISE.........I FIND IT AMUSING THAT IT IS ALLWAYS THE GUYS THAT DONT DO THIS FOR A LIVING OR THE ONES THAT DONT HAVE THE MONEY WHO SAY HANDLAID IS BETTER.........BTW ALL MY BODIES HAVE A FIBERGLASS HEAT SHIELD ADDED TO THE HOOD AND TRUNK FOR ADDED STRENGH AS WELL AS FOR HEAT ITS ABOUT A 1/4 INCH THICK ON ITS OWN...SO WITH THAT SAID IF YOU STILL WOULD RATHER DO IT WITH YOUR HAND THATS YOUR PREROGATIVE .ME ID MUCH RATER BE BLOWN.LOL..............


 From: Tim | Posted: 8/19/2005 10:41:57 PM |
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RE: 1989 BATMOBILE REPLICA FAQ

Just to clarify my point, hand laid chop mat is not necessarily any better than blown chop. (I guess you agree, Mark) They are basically the same thing applied differently. A quality job with a chop gun vs. a quality job with chop mat should yield the same end result. Now if you want to compare chop (blown or mat) with continuous strand cloth, then I would say the cloth wins, but not because it's hand laid. It HAS to be hand laid.

So I guess I don't mind being blown or hand laid!



Last Edited by Tim: 8/19/2005 11:03:53 PM

 From: DonC | Posted: 8/20/2005 2:01:57 AM |

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Bottom line they chop cause it's cheaper, faster...doesn't matter who they are bottom line is what counts for most, always has been always will be!


 From: Kevin | Posted: 8/20/2005 6:12:02 AM |
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You are absolutely right Don, most people will substitute price over quality until their 5 grand paint job starts showing bubbles through the substrata.


 From: MARK TOWLE | Posted: 8/20/2005 6:24:32 AM |
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THIS COMMING FROM A GUY (DONALD CURRIE) WHO CHEATS ON GELL COAT BY PRIMERING HIS KITS BLACK BE CAREFULL KEVIN WHO YOU SIDE WITH IT...... COSTS 1000 TO HAND LAY AND 4500 TO HAVE A PRO CHOP THE SAME AMOUNT OF AERA WHOS THE CHEAPSKATE? AGAIN HOW MANY GALLONS OF RESIGN HAVE YOU DONE THIS YEAR KEVIN ? IM AROUND 1000 WITH ALL THE WORK GOING THROUGH MY SHOPPE GET A GRIP!!!!!!!!!!REALLY GETTING TIRED OF THE POSSERS OUT THERE... DOESNT MATTER HOW MUCH BULLSHIT YOU SPREAD ITS STILL BULLSHIT.......... AND KEVIN THE SIDE SWIPE YOU ARE TRYING DOESNT HOLD WATER...WANNA GOE TOE TO TOE IM THERE

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 From: Jack | Posted: 8/20/2005 10:47:30 AM |
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So I should add my 2 cents. I have seen Kevinís blown and my body is hand laid. Which is better? Kevinís by far! It's thicker, stronger, and straighter then mine. I know it has a lot to do with who makes the body. But for me I think for a car this size blown (and rolled) would be much better.

So now that we have started a little flame war I would like this question answered. Who if any of you have actually completed an 89? I have heard all of you say that you have built this and that and hey that's awesome but lets see an 89 you have built. Here's what I know there are at least 5 cars out there in various stages of completion. They are all pretty much being built by the owners and like I said they are all still unfinished. I also know that a lot of bodies have been pulled and sold by you guys. But show me an 89 that you have built, finish, whatever.




 From: Kevin | Posted: 8/20/2005 11:10:36 AM |
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Jack; don't make me come over to your house and sit on your car. I haven't seen your car. From what I have heard from the other owners. Is that the guys that were laying up your cars didn't know what they were doing and took short cuts. That can make all the difference in the world.

When I ordered my car I requested Bob to spray my car twice as thick as usual, I was well aware of the problems with a blown car. My car is 3/4" thick in most places; over thickness can also cause a multitude of problems as well as you know. I also glassed in a ton of steel through the body as overkill and hard pointed the body in many high stress locations thorough ought the body. Some of the hard points have adjustable eye bolts.



 From: Jack | Posted: 8/20/2005 11:52:23 AM |
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yeah yeah yeah I know how nice your body is, heck I think I sat on the dang thing. What I want to know from you is when will you be done so you can come fix mine? So GED and the come finish mine!!!


 From: Kevin | Posted: 8/20/2005 12:25:29 PM |
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If I didn't have a real job I would be done by now. I am supposed to be retired but you know how that is.
When mine is done I will cut the same deal every one else gets. Work for free or trade. Everyone cries the poor boy blues.


It took me six months to get rid of all the Black Beauty parts out of my garage. I never want to see that car agin, until its done of course. Never saw a dime for that project.


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 From: DonC | Posted: 8/20/2005 12:57:20 PM |

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HAND LAID VS CHOPPER BAT BUGGYS

LOL!!

Mark...I like it when you call me Donald
I think you've been in the sauce again my friend...4500 to chop a car...
your paying too much...1000 for hand laid..aahhh not quite ...more like at least 1500 MATERIALS including GELCOAT and 2 weeks of hand labor at 20 an hour for the skilled laborer...'nother 1500...then all the trimming, clean up etc... and guess what...$4500. for a hand laid bat. ...at least that's what it cost in this country...I dunno what the going rate in Tijuana is..
and speaking of going rate...is that white mach 5 for sale?
Friend of mine's looking for a complete running mach 5...in great shape...
NOT CRAP!
I already asked troll #1 about his....but judging from troll skills I don't want to go near it..
So Name your price!



 From: MARK TOWLE | Posted: 8/20/2005 4:27:51 PM |
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HEY DONALD "ON THE SAUCE" ALLWAYS!LOL....... A 300 YRD ROLL OF 2OZ MAT IS $220 5 5 GALLON CANS OF RESIGN AT $99 EA THAT ADDS UP TO $715 .IF IT TAKES YOU 2 WEEKS TO LAY IT UP WORK EVERY DAY NOT EVERY OTHER DAY AND IT WILL ONLY BE A5 DAY WEEK TILL YOUR DONE AND WHAT WOULD YOU KNOW ABOUT GELL COAT YOU DONT EVEN USE IT ON YOUR CARS(DONT MAKE ME POST THE PICTS OF NATES CAR)..........AS FOR THE MACH 5 YES I SELL THEM EMAIL ME HIS NUMBER AND ILL HAVE KORY TALK TO HIM ABOUT ONE ..BUT IF YOUR THINKING ABOUT HAVING DWIGHT MOLD IT THAT WOULD BE A BAD IDEA ITS A INTELLECTUAL PROPERTY AND YOU WILL HAVE IT CONFISCATED ALONG WITH A HEALTHY FINE... VERY GARDED PROPERTY UNLIKE THE BATS.... ITS LIC. AND PATENT NEVER EXPIRE........AS FOR BRETTS IF HE SELLS IT THE BUYER AND HIMSELF WILL HAVE TO ANSWER TO LICENSOR AND I KNOW THEY WONT BE HAPPY ABOUT THAT THERES ALLWAYS A LIC FEE THAT HAS TO BE PAID....AND SINCE IM BEING TAG TEAMED .. KEVIN.. BOB BUTTS TOLD ME BEWARE OF YOU AND A FEW OTHERS OUT THERE NEVER THOUGHT YOU WOULD SWING AT ME SO HERES MY RETORT TO YOU.. DIDNT YOU CALL BOB AFTER GIVING HIM A DEPOSIT ON A 66 KIT BEGGING TO GET YOUR MONEY BACK FOR PERSONAL REASONS AND OUT OF THE KINDNESS OF HIS HEART AND THE FACT THAT HE WAS LEARY OF THE 89 HE SOLD YOU THE BODY HE HAD "ALLREADY BLOWN" AT HIS SHOPPE AT A K-MART BLUE LIGHT SPECIAL PRICE INSTEAD YOU KNOW THE CAR IN YOUR DRIVEWAY RIGHT NOW........YOU GUYS NEED TO KEEP IN MIND BOB AND I TALKED ALOT ABOUT THE PEOPLE IN THIS ARENA I GOT THE LOW DOWN FROM THE MASTER..I THINK THIS IS CHILDISH AND NOT WHY I COME HERE SO ILL STOP HERE WEBMASTER AND IF THEY FEEL THE NEED TO TAKE ANOTHER POP SHOT AT ME THEN OH WELL ...AND FOR SOMETHING COMPLETLY DIFFERENT A MAN WITH TWO BUTTOCHS...............

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 From: Mr A | Posted: 8/20/2005 4:57:54 PM |
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Sorry guys,
I liked it better when it was about building NOT demolition but, you may know best. I still pick up the info/tips you pass back & forth.

"There are many ways to skin a cat".

I think the best thing about this forum is, we all want to have The car(an 89 if you didn't already know).

How we do it? Different methods? To share this, it can only help others right?

Who can build it? How it's done? What it cost?(can I still dream?). This is why people like me come to this site.

I love the fact that a lot of people post here, who know what their doing (or seem to) when they build a replica. They SHARE this information with idiots like me (who think its just about any car(donor), with a fiberglass body 'facelift'. I wish.
That about sums it up.
I WISH (like most of the people here).

Lets concentrate on
'keeping the dream alive'.

Hell, all I really want to know is if...
a)I can afford it?
b)Who can help me?
c)Where can I park it?
d)What mods do I make to satisfy the Law.
e)How long will it take me to have one?
But most importantly, HOW DO I DO IT?
Thats what this place is all about? Right?

With respect to the posters.








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 From: Jack | Posted: 8/20/2005 5:17:05 PM |
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What he said..... Now post some pictures......




 From: Justin | Posted: 8/20/2005 11:00:16 PM |
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The dream was alive for a few weeks anyways, right Jack?

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