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 Batmobile Forever Question |
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From: The Joker
| Posted: 9/20/2004 9:49:19 PM
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RE: Batmobile Forever Question Ya know, now that I have been thinking about it, the weighted spinners may actually work to a degree. I think I might try that for my car, put the logo on the centre of the wheel. That would be sweet, and half-original. |
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From: Chris
| Posted: 9/21/2004 6:47:46 AM
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RE: Batmobile Forever Question I spoke to the guy at movie world and he said the they used the spinner a bar stuck to the wheel and a wighted hub cap like thing freely spinning around th bar if that makes any sence preety much the spinner wheel 
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From: www.1989batmobile.com
| Posted: 9/21/2004 6:44:00 PM
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From: The Joker
| Posted: 9/21/2004 7:44:14 PM
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RE: Batmobile Forever Question Who the hell is this guy? |
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From: Webmaster
| Posted: 9/21/2004 7:45:02 PM
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RE: Batmobile Forever Question Gary Oldsman. Commissioner Gordon in Batman Begins |
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From: starlight
| Posted: 2/21/2005 10:51:14 AM
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RE: Batmobile Forever Question Calling Dave in hopes he might finally settle all the questions on this thread. |
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From: autoprops713
| Posted: 2/21/2005 4:16:45 PM
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RE: Batmobile Forever Question No idea! 
The wheel hubs were off the cars in the archives and I STILL had no idea how they worked. One thing for sure, it has nothing to do with gravity...otherwise they would spin like mad when the car stopped! The TFX guy told me they used counter-rotating bearings...I'm just a messenger for this one. I'll let you guys discuss and send off some pics to Jack! |
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From: Jax
| Posted: 2/21/2005 7:37:19 PM
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RE: Batmobile Forever Question Dave, lets see those pictures. Jack 
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From: Tim
| Posted: 2/21/2005 11:25:26 PM
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RE: Batmobile Forever Question I still belive that they hubs were simply counterweighted spinners. These won't spin when you stop because they weren't spinning when you were moving. There is no momentum to make them spin. (that's what regular spinners do, I belive they call these floaters now)They will move some and can swing forward (but not all the way around) on a hard stop. This can be corrected with a magnet system like the one Chrystler has patented. Even regular spinners will stay stationary for a second or two but eventually there is enough friction to start them spinning and enough momentum to keep them spinning when you stop. Tim |
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From: Pinky Cootiebrain
| Posted: 2/22/2005 7:49:19 AM
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RE: Batmobile Forever Question Okay Jack, time to share and play nice!
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From: VMan
| Posted: 2/23/2005 7:52:54 AM
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RE: Batmobile Forever Question Seems like a lot of geeky engineers hang out at this site...
First of all, the weighted spinner theory: regardless of the weight inertia would cause them to rotate on acceleration or braking. I'm not really familiar with the Forever movie but it appears they use a mechanical system (supported by the previous discussion). 
You essentially have three planes of movement here: the stationary ring gear attached to the axle housing or steering knuckle (much like your car's brake calipers), the pinion shaft that passes through the car's wheel (supported by sleeve bearings), and the ring gear attached to the 'spinning' wheel hub assembly. The wheel rotates on the axle, the pinion gears rotate around the inboard ring gear on a shaft that passes through the wheel and held in place by sleeve bearings. The 'rotating' hub (Bat symbol) is attached to a freewheeling hub spindle. The outboard ring gear is rigidly attached to this rotating hub. If you removed the pinion gears and shaft the Bat symbol would spin freely. However, with the pinion gears in place the inboard and outboard ring gears are 'locked' together and not free to rotate independent of each other yet the wheel and tire can still spin on the axle. Hope this helps. P.S. If any of my terminology is incorrect, I apologize. I'm a structural guy not a mechanical guy. |
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From: Tim
| Posted: 2/23/2005 8:56:05 AM
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RE: Batmobile Forever Question That's exactly what I meant...
Wow, that's really cool. nice renderings there too. It would be cool to play around with the gear ratios to make it spin backwards or slowly forwards. Okay, now where is my box of ring gears??? "Honey, I'll be outside by the mini-van!" 
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From: Roger
| Posted: 2/23/2005 9:38:36 AM
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RE: Batmobile Forever Question Tell me again what holds the wheel on? |
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From: VMan
| Posted: 2/23/2005 9:46:35 AM
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RE: Batmobile Forever Question The wheel is held to the axle by the lug nuts as in your typical automobile. The rotating spindle that holds the symbol hub cap could have a flange and be drilled to the same pattern as the lug nuts. At least that's how I'd design it. |
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From: autoprops713
| Posted: 2/27/2005 3:09:43 AM
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RE: Batmobile Forever Question VMan, that CAD drawing looks exactly like what was explained to me. It's one of those things that is difficult as hell to explain and even draw but I'm sure once you see it..."Smack" on the forehead. The other thing is that not only does the bat logo remain perfectly straight but it of course needed neon lighting and wiring coming through the rim and up to the front! More head scratching... |
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From: Jax
| Posted: 2/27/2005 8:21:16 AM
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RE: Batmobile Forever Question That still seems over complicated to me. The Forever car that I saw at the Tallahassee museum were done just like a spinner wheel. They had counter weights mounted behind the cover. I know this because the curator allowed me to turn a center wheel cover and when I released it just centered itself because it was weighted at the bottom. Last night, Dave sent a couple of pictures of The Forever car with the outer wheel ring removed. You can see how it was attached in the photos but unfortunately the center covers are installed and cover up the "Secret" design. Maybe someday we can see it with the center cover removed. Don’t get me wrong the counter-rotating ring idea is awesome and could be what was used. I don’t think it would be needed on the front as you could just attach something under the spindle nut since it is stationary anyway. Here is a close-up of the pictures Dave sent. 
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From: Jax
| Posted: 2/27/2005 8:28:35 AM
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RE: Batmobile Forever Question Here is a picture of the driver rear wheel from the car I saw in Tallahassee. http://www.chickslovethecar.com/images/uploaded/227200582756ForeverTallahassee.jpg |
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From: Jack
| Posted: 2/27/2005 8:30:18 AM
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RE: Batmobile Forever Question I forgot to use the link button, again.
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From: Jack
| Posted: 2/27/2005 8:57:00 AM
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RE: Batmobile Forever Question The last picture is of the driver front, not rear. Sorry this is why people sleep in on Sunday.
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From: www.thebatcave8k.com
| Posted: 2/28/2005 3:17:42 AM
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RE: Batmobile Forever Question VMAN, you are my new hero for today. :) Jack - I am guessing that the car you saw at the museum was done differently than in the movies. Most replicas (I know I am preaching to the choir here...) are just built to LOOK like their movie world counterparts. Especially museum pieces, which look great until you start to really pick at them. I doubt the wheels were done that way in the movie. But of course, I like the '89. I know damn little about the Forever car! |
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From: Jack
| Posted: 2/28/2005 4:14:15 AM
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RE: Batmobile Forever Question B8K, I agree. Jack |
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From: VMan
| Posted: 2/28/2005 8:02:55 AM
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RE: Batmobile Forever Question I don't doubt at all that there are versions of the Forever car with weighted spinners. It's much cheaper/easier than the ring and pinion setup and would work fine for parades. I'm not sure but did WB make a series of promo cars for the release of the movie as with the first two? As far as the lighting goes... In the steering wheel of a lot of modern cars (ones with cruise/radio buttons on the wheel) there is a cylinder with copper contact loops that spin with the wheel. Fixed on the steering column are copper 'fingers' that touch the loops as the wheel rotates. A similar system could be devised for the Forever symbol backlighting. However, a simpler and much more straightforward idea is this... Since the hubs don't rotate and are very close to the body, why not run the wires straight from the body to the hubs with a little extra slack and some quick disconnects? I wouldn't doubt that's how they did it for the film since it's much simpler and you'd never see those wires on the big screen. |
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From: www.thebatcave8k.com
| Posted: 2/28/2005 2:35:26 PM
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RE: Batmobile Forever Question B8K.... I like it. :) |
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From: Tim
| Posted: 2/28/2005 4:11:25 PM
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RE: Batmobile Forever Question What is the "8k" about anyway? |
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From: starlight
| Posted: 2/28/2005 4:18:02 PM
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RE: Batmobile Forever Question Justin pulls in $8k a month. |
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