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"You Always Fear What You Don't Understand"

From: Tim \| Posted: 6/3/2005 9:11:40 PM \|
	"You Always Fear What You Don't Understand" "You Always Fear What You Don't Understand"

From: Tim \| Posted: 6/3/2005 9:12:13 PM \|
	RE: Well, Crap... http://movies.yahoo.com/shop?d=hv&cf=trailer&id=1808490910&intl=us

From: Webmaster \| Posted: 6/3/2005 10:10:35 PM \|
	RE: I warned you about banning the guy with the most post in case of another forum disaster

From: Tim \| Posted: 6/3/2005 10:12:12 PM \|
	RE: Yeah, let's ban Jack!

From: Jimmy \| Posted: 6/3/2005 11:29:32 PM \|
	RE: ...or we could back Jan.

From: Doo Hee \| Posted: 6/4/2005 6:02:05 AM \|
	RE: So there are 3 villains in this movie again? Tom Wilkins character + Ra's al Ghul + Scarecrow??

From: Doo Hee \| Posted: 6/4/2005 6:06:02 AM \|
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From: Tim \| Posted: 6/4/2005 10:44:11 AM \|
	RE: They look more like they're on they way out to go trick-or-treating, than to go fight crime... Or it could be from "Batman the Musical".

From: Doo Hee \| Posted: 6/4/2005 2:30:27 PM \|
	RE: Check out this glowing review from bluetights.net This is Bruce Wayne. This is Batman. I think Nolan did it. He nailed the Bat-movie all the Bat-fans wanted to see. I'm just gonna break this down bit by bit. I won't cover everything, you'll have to see the movie for all of it. And remember, this is just my opinion. If you don't like it, you're free to bugger off The Batman: Dark, scary, menacing, full of precarious posing on building ledges. . . this is the Batman I always wanted on film. Bale's mentioned in several interviews that he wanted a more animalistic Batman. We got it. This batman growls when he speaks, and he is never just standing around like previous Batmen. He's always looming, brooding, or prowling. And they set the tone right with his first appearance. Wait until you see it. It's the stuff of good horror films! One of the things I liked most about the Batman's portrayal was that when he was in action, you were almost removed to a third person POV over the victim's shoulder. What I mean is that we didn't follow Batman into the fight. We followed his prey. And from this view, you can see why these guys aren't prone to laughing at the guy in the cape. They're too busy wetting themselves. That was my big "FINALLY!" We got a Batman that's actually scary. Bruce Wayne: Bale's brief yet amusing stints as the pompous, arrogant, billionaire playboy that is Bruce Wayne were fantastic. For the first time on film we get to see the "Bruce Mask" in all it's glory. And it was friggin hilarious! Jim Gordon: I loved Gary Oldman in this film. I want more of him. Lots more. Gordon in this film is a compassionate cop who cares about his job and justice, but is smart enough to stay out of trouble. Though his part was briefer than I'd have preferred, it was great to finally get a Gordon who's active in the plot, and not just bellowing orders through a megaphone. Ducard: Liam Neeson must love playing mentors. And quite frankly, I love it when he does. This role felt a lot like his Jedi role, but quite frankly, none of what he was preaching to Bruce didn't make sense for this story, so it all worked really well, I thought. Rachel Dawes: I was scared for this part. I wasn't sure what they were going to do with her, really. And while I wasn't entirely satisfied with her character arc, it definitely feels like they're not done with her. I'm hoping they avoid the previous franchise's route and get a new girl each time. Honestly, I want to see her come back and continue to grow within this world. Her life-long relationship with Bruce is really interesting to me, and I really hope that it remains, instead of being brushed off suddenly to satisfy a sequel. I don't want "new film, new girl" any more. Jonathan Crane: The scarecrow is a hard villain to make practical. But they did it REALLY well, imo. I saw someone describe somewhere the effect being like the scene in Fight Club where the film is jumping out of the cage. I couldn't describe it better myself. The action figures that were released don't do this character justice. He's a very practical, and very creepy villain. Being a fan of the scarecrow, I'd obviously love to see the full on costume, but that's for a different movie. The scarecrow in this film fit the tone perfectly. And Murphy's eyes are creepy. Ra's al Ghul: Ken Watanabe has presense coming out of his EARS! That's all I'm saying on that. Ra's is another villain who I couldn't figure out how to make practical. That's been one of my biggest interests since he was announced. They said it was to be grounded in reality, but they were using an immortal villain. But they made it work. They left Ra's with enough ambiguity to leave him very mysterious, but answered enough questions about the character to make him really interesting. I'm secretly harboring hope that we'll see him again. The Toys: What is batman without his toys? Well, I always prefer my batman toy-light, but I'm in a minority there. I like him to do things with his own bare hands, and I think the film strikes a balance. He makes good use of all of his toys, and they're all very practical. There's no bat-mastercard to be seen in this film. By far my favorite, though, was the Tumbler. I've never been part of the 2Bat2Furious crowd that thinks Batman should drive a customized Viper or something equally showy. Batman needs a tank, in my opinion, and he's got one now. This thing kicks ASS. I want to buy one. Seriously, I'm saving my money. I want one. The magnetic grapple gun was great, especially considering that you rarely see him actually using it, just the results he could get when he did, if that makes sense. The Suit: I like the comic suit. I do. But it would NEVER have worked in this film. Never. While I wasn't sure about running back into a suit so familiar to the previous franchise, I thought it looked bloody fantastic on screen. It was definitely Batman I was seeing, and at the end of the day that's all that mattered. The whole suit is explained for practicality's sake, and it all makes enough sense to suspend your disbelief. There are those concerned about mobility, and I never noticed any problems, really. And if there WERE some, they didn't bother me at all, aparently. I mean, with all the shots(like the ones in the trailers) of him perched on corners of buildings and stuff, he looked anything but stiff. Overall: I thought the film had a couple rocky points but definitely no deal-breakers for me. I think if you're a fanboy you're gonna enjoy this film immensely. Every scene is wading around waist deep in Bat-lore. The movie isn't just Year One, or Long Halloween, or any other single graphic novel. It's like Nolan and Goyer took the best parts of many stories, and crafted this world in which they were all more closely connected to one another. I thought the relationships between the villains and heroes of Gotham flowed really smoothly. There were two relationships that I really appreciated though. 1) Bruce and Thomas Wayne: The relationship between Bruce and his father is played up in this one WAY more than ever before, and I loved it. It gave Bruce a person to miss, not simply a generic "dead parent." It wasn't until seeing this film that I really realized how shallow and hollow Bruce's relationship to his dead parents seemed in the past films. I mean, their death is WHY he's doing this, and in this film you really get that. Bruce struggles at times with what Thomas might think of him. I love that about Bruce in the comics, and I'm glad that someone put it on screen. There is a real human, loving, admiring relationship there that makes Bruce's pain even more acute. 2) Bruce and Fear Itself: Bruce isn't just a man in a bat suit in this film. He's a master of fear. He almost makes previous Batmen look un-scary. He's intimidating as all hell (especially in one great rainy scene!), and he's consciously aware of his own fears, and how fear can be used against the fearful. Fear is a running theme in this film, and with Batman and Scarecrow, it couldn't be more appropriate. In fact, the guilt Bruce feels over his parents has even been ever so slightly altered from the generally accepted comic explanation. . . just enough to make fear mean all the more to Bruce. The final thing I'll talk about, and a thing that struck me as the film was wrapping up, was that this film couldn't have been more aptly named. I have been describing it to people as a REALLY elaborate prologue. While it holds it's own, it also acts as a MASSIVE setup for what could potentially become the Bat Franchise of my dreams. I mean, there are SO many events that happen in this film that leave doorways for more of the bat-universe characters to step into. I can't help but feel that as happy as I was with the familiarity I felt with the world of this film, it will only get more-so as the ranchise goes along. And I'm certain it will. While the film isn't necessarily for everyone, it's by far the best Batman film yet. I can't see this film having any trouble warranting a sequel. Okay, well, I know I didn't cover everything. Mostly cause I'm friggin exhausted. If there's anything else you want to know, just ask away. I'm not terribly inclined to hand out spoilerish info because there were some spoilers I'd read/heard relatively accidentally that I wish I hadn't. I encourage anyone who can to go in fresh. Anyway, that's that for now. I may write up more, particularly spoilerish info, after the film's actual release.

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