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Posted 1/18/2019 6:51:09 AM
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Hey everyone, forgive me if this has been covered already. My question: I’ve been thinking a lot on how you would transport a vehicle (w/o “oversized load” permit) to shows, etc. If/when I build, I would be doing an exact replica, so no downsizing. I’ve also heard people say that they removed the outer tires and some of the side pieces in order to transport. However, looking at pictures and video of the “Tumbler Tour”, they load it into a somewhat specialized semi trailer, but it fits and looks like they remove nothing. Question is, if the Tumbler is 9’6” wide, how is it perfectly fitting onto an 8’ wide semi trailer?? It does look like it’s tweaked a bit for a little bit wider ramp, but that’s about it. Anyone seen this hauled around? Thanks everyone.

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hey Darknight
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The Tumbler can be transported by removing two of the rear tires and portions of a few side panels to bring the width down to 8" 6" or less or it can be transported full width by using wide load permits and pilot cars.

Wikipedia
"United States[edit]
In the United States, an oversize load is a vehicle and/or load that is wider than 8 ft 6 in (2.59 m). Each individual state has different requirements regarding height and length (most states are 13 ft 6 in or 4.11 m tall), and a driver must purchase a permit for each state he/she will be traveling through. In many states, a load must be considered "nondivisible" to qualify for a permit (i.e. an object which cannot be broken down into smaller pieces), although some states allow divisible loads to be granted permits.[14]
Signaling[edit]
In the United States, the owner of an Oversize Load often must hire a Pilot Car (flag or escort car) before the load can be moved on a public roadway. An Oversize Load may exceed one or all normal vehicle dimensions of weight, height, length, width and/or extend beyond the commonly-recognized perimeter of the Load vehicle. All Pilot Cars in an individual state must be uniformly identified with required durable, fade-resistant yellow OVERSIZE LOAD sign (on rooftop or the car’s position bumper) and amber flashing or rotating lights that are visible 360° and at least 100 feet (30 m) away. Those Pilot Cars may legally operate ahead of, behind or in any position relative to the Load that ensures the safe movement of the Load vehicle and all assisting Pilot, Police and Utility vehicles that are necessary for the move.
The certified Pilot Car Operator protects people, vehicles and property by several actions. The simple presence of a Pilot Car warns other drivers and pedestrians. The Lead (front position) Pilot Car often has a calibrated High Pole (and depending upon the state, a durable, fade-resistant yellow sign) bolted to its front bumper. The High Pole is designed to collide with overpasses, power lines and tree branches that may be above the lane in which the Pilot Car and the Load are operating. The Lead Pilot Car Operator transmits radio messages to the Load and other necessary vehicles of overhead obstructions or road conditions that require the Load to alter its path or stop. Finally, a Pilot Car Operator may park the Pilot Car just off the roadway and direct traffic with a reversible Slow/Stop sign or orange flags while wearing a bright vest and hard hat.
Generally, the Lead Pilot Car Operator functions to maintain an assured clear distance - 1⁄2 to 1 mile (0.8 to 2 km) - ahead of the Load. The Lead Pilot Car Operator frequently transmits his lane position, road name, lack of overhead obstruction up to and including a landmark or building and direction of travel. The Lead Pilot Car Operator is expected to observe any obstruction or complication that may require the Load to alter its path and transmit clear instructions to the Load and other necessary vehicles. Hearing the transmission from the Lead Pilot car, the Rear Pilot Car Operator ensures that the desired lane is clear and moves the Rear Pilot Car to operate in the now-clear lane. The Rear Pilot Car Operator transmit the clear lane availability to the Load. After passing the obstruction, the Lead Pilot car Operator informs the Load that the Lead Pilot car is now operating in a specific lane as it passes a specific landmark or building. The Rear Pilot Car Operator ensures and transmits that the desired lane is currently clear and moves the Rear Pilot Car to operate in the now-clear lane.
Typically, the edges of any oversize load must be marked to make them visible to drivers. During daytime the required marking is usually red flags, and during night white or yellow lights may be used. The hauling vehicle must have at least one flashing amber light in the front and back. Signs (yellow with black border in the United States, red and white diagonal stripes in the EU, and red and white vertical stripes in Canada), saying "Oversize load" must be put in the front and back of the vehicle.


Typical Pilot Car / Escort / Flag Car in the United States


Pilot Car / Escort vehicle shown with required safety equipment
A Lead Pilot Car may follow a police car or Utility/Bucket Trucks. Pilot and trailing cars may be required also. Each must have at least one flashing amber light (visible 360 degrees at 500 feet (150 m)) on them. Their purpose is to observe all possible obstacles or impediments to the swift and safe transfer of the Load between two points and warn drivers about what's approaching. The Lead Pilot Car warns approaching drivers in the opposite lane, and the trailing car warns any candidates to overtake or pass the Load. The driver of the pilot car must have a 2-way radio communication system to alert all members of the move about any low bridges, wires, obstacles, etc. The driver of the trailing car is responsible for the safety(?) while passing obstacles or overtaking slower vehicles.
Pilot Car Operators may:
Perform a Route Survey before the Load is moved
Curb the Pilot Car to act as a Flagger
Order the Load stopped for any reason
Use the Pilot Car to block traffic from passing the load.
Since the driver of the truck cannot see the end of the trailer or vehicles that may be present in the next lane (because the load obstructs the mirrors), the general procedure is as follows: The truck driver sees an obstacle and signals with his left (or right, if in a left-side traffic country) turn signal (aka "blinker"). The driver of the trailing car waits until the adjacent lane is clear and moves so that the truck driver sees his or her car, thus preventing anyone from standing next to the truck. Then the trailing car moves a little back to stay clear of the truck's path. As soon as the trailer has cleared the obstacle, the trailing car again moves forward and flashes its headlights to inform the truck driver that it's safe to return in their lane.[original research?] A pilot car driver may temporarily block traffic at intersections to ensure the safe passage of the truck.
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Posted 1/18/2019 11:24:03 AM
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Thanks Vertigo,

As the picture I attached shows the semi truck/trailer, and the Tumbler. I’m assuming the axles and wheels on the semi trailer are normal width, as you can kind of imagine it matching up with the semi itself. With that being said, again they do not have any wheels removed or side panels removed, yet it fits on their no prob. ??
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Ok I’m not sure 100% but here’s my take on it maybe with the side flaps open it’s 9’6’’ but my opinion is this the super swampers are 44/18.50/16.5 so that tells us that the tires are 44’’ tall and 18.50 wide so we have 4 tires at 18.50’’ that equals 74’’ wide in tires and the space between the two tires on each side 1/2 inch each that totals 75’’ then bob dullam said something about the spacing between the duel rear wheels to be somewhere around 30’’ in his build page that makes the wheels from sidewall to sidewall around 105’’ which is 8’9’’ I own a towing co and that trailer being used is a landoll haulall they have added those sides to that trailer it’s nothing special just a Standard model 440b it has 102’’ wide deck I also have a picture I found on a google search of a tumbler on a flatbed which I know for a fact that is a 102’’ deck because i had one just like the one in this picture and that tumbler is wider then the 102’’ deck but not that much hope that helps you Batmobileone
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Posted 1/21/2019 8:35:08 PM
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Thanks for your input and information Towman. Just seems to me like it should stick out further off of both sides. Doing the math, those rear wheels should be sticking over each side by 6”.
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