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 Posted 1/13/2018 7:31:08 PM |
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Placed a copy of this post here for the possible benefit to anyone
planning to, and/or, actually building a Bat Vehicle.
Here is a very useful measuring tool that I use frequently.
Most of us have used a ruler and protractor to draw angles.
This unique combination protractor, ruler, and angle calculator, all in one, is from Empire and is sold at Home Depot, etc.
I have used it to calculate intersecting angles and/or to measure existing angle intersections.
Very handy when drawing angular supports brackets. vertigo
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| Posted 1/19/2018 7:16:45 PM |
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Placed a copy of this post here for the possible benefit to anyone
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A few more things about Bat Vehicle templates.
Bat Vehicles are symmetrical sculptures.
As such each body panel on one side has a twin part on the other side. But usually not an identical twin.
One flat body panel template is often used to make both the right and left side corresponding parts by just turning it over to make the second part.
Large body parts like the Tumbler's roof panels can be drawn and/or plasma cut with a half template by flipping the panel over from side to side.
Curved and 3D parts require more skill but are in many ways very similar.
(See photo-images of sample templates.)
SYMMETRY
sym·me·try
NOUN
the quality of being made up of exactly similar parts facing each other or around an axis:
synonyms: regularity · evenness · uniformity · consistency · conformity · correspondence · equality · balance · proportions · concord
correct or pleasing proportion of the parts of a thing:
synonyms: regularity · evenness · uniformity · consistency · conformity · correspondence · equality · balance · proportions · concord
similarity or exact correspondence between different things:
physics
mathematics
a law or operation in which a physical property or process has an equivalence in two or more directions.
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| Posted 1/21/2018 6:17:34 PM |
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Cut two out of the three roof sections from steel today. vertigo
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| Posted 1/22/2018 2:46:35 PM |
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| Time for the cabin to take shape?
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| Posted 1/24/2018 5:00:34 PM |
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I placed a copy of this post here for the possible benefit to anyone
planning to and/or actually building a Bat Vehicle.
PART ONE
Sly
“Wow! that truck looks too nice to use as a donor.”
Having found an outstanding donor vehicle for my DOJ/Justice League
Batmobile I had very similar feelings while driving it home from the
car lot. “This is a really great vehicle. It seems like a shame to use
it as a donor vehicle.”
Then I realized that the qualities that made this vehicle feel like
such a great vehicle were really the same qualities that make it a
really great donor vehicle. At one point, frustrated over repeated
failures to find the right donor vehicle I had even considered buying
a brand new RAM 3500 four wheel drive chassis truck. If money had been
no significant object of resistance I would have gone that route.
What I Learned from My Experiences in Finding and Purchasing a Donor Vehicle.
Study, evaluate, decide, and re-evaluate, until you absolutely know
what vehicle you are looking for. Define your parameters such as make,
model, year, quality, condition, etc, etc,…..and put it in writing.
This statement should list every non-negotiable parameter for the
donor vehicle you are seeking. Everything else not on your list is
optional.
Don’t buy a potential donor vehicle without doing an accident search,
seeing it in person, and driving it up to 70 MPH.
Driving it up to 70 MPH is the most important. This will reveal most
suspension, drive train, and many other problems if they are there.
Many vehicles with hidden problems can still drive at 30-40 MPH and
give little indication of any problems. But at 70 MPH, shake, grind,
and shimmy.
You can find potential donor vehicles with damaged body panels,
damaged upholstery, missing doors, trunk lid, or hood. These vehicles
will be far more affordable but with more unseen damage risks than
nice-condition donor cars. Many of these will have undisclosed
accidents, damaged suspensions, bent frames, etc. Search the vehicle
accidents reports. Even a slow speed drive is better than not driving
it at all.
Choose a donor car that is free of heavy rust.
Don’t settle for less, unless you absolutely have no choices.
I made this mistake when I bought a Dodge 1500 Ram as my first donor
vehicle for my DOJ/Justice League Batmobile.
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| Posted 1/24/2018 5:01:51 PM |
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I placed a copy of this post here for the possible benefit to anyone
planning to and/or actually building a Bat Vehicle.
PART TWO
Determine the fair price for what you are looking for.
Use your parameters sheet and go to the internet and type in what you
are looking for. This will take you to various sites such as
autoguru.com, autotrader.com, and many others. Many of these allow you
to type in your zip code and the radius of miles you want to search.
When you find a listing that meets your parameters criteria save it in
a file with the related prices. From these you will soon develop the
market price range (low and high).
Buy intact running and drivable potential donor vehicles of the best
quality you can afford. This will give you a proven and functional
intact drive train.
For those looking for a donor vehicles as a source for frames/parts
there are auction sites like erepairables.com and many others. I like
erepairables the best.
Most of these are sold with salvage or certificate titles.
These are often classified by flood or crash damage.
Either way it means the insurance companies have declared them total
losses. To put them back on the road means after you repair them you
will have to apply for a new title if you want to put them back on the
road again.
The best vehicles are the flood damaged. (low chance of a bent frame,
and the suspension, steering, rear end, front end are all usually
intact) These usually have water soaked interiors and water caused
electrical problems.
At erepairables.com for a flood damaged vehicle you can expect to pay
around 25% of the value of a similar used running vehicle on the lot.
You can also use proxy automatic bidding.
Also, it is zip code and radius miles searchable.
erepairables.com
WORTH GOING TO IF YOU ARE LOOKING TO PAY 25% for a donor vehicle that
is very useable and intact.
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| Posted 1/25/2018 4:58:11 PM |
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I placed a copy of this post here for the possible benefit to anyone
planning to and/or actually building a Bat Vehicle.
SLY
“Hey, I am getting pretty excited about my work with the DOJ 3d files.
As you may know, the plan is to mill this in foam, make a mother mold,
and produce the body parts. My timeline might come pretty close to
yours.”
“If I can produce the body panels it would be interesting to see if
they would fit on your donor.”
There is no donor vehicle that I found that would allow the mounting
of body panels without significant modifications for the DOJ/Justice
League Batmobile. However, there is one example of deductive building
logic that you have available to you, that I and others don’t have.
That is your physical proxy build.
RULE APPLIED DEDUCTIVE LOGIC: Any donor vehicle, frame, power train,
front suspension, rear suspension, etc. that will fit inside your
proxy vehicle has the potential suitability to support the mounting of
your body panels. You will also have several alignment points to
choose from that will match up to a donor vehicle’s existing
mechanical structures. The donor vehicle in this build chosen is about
compromise and value judgements. I have found no donor vehicle that is
a perfect match but have decided on my donor based on my building
techniques and matching of mechanical and structural elements within
the boundaries of the DOJ/Justice league Batmobile.
I have estimated that finding the right donor is worth 30-40% of build
completion. An excellent example of this is paul wayne’s donor
selection for his tumbler build that probably exceeds 70% or more of
the total build contribution. A closer aligned example to the DOJ is
the one built in Ecuador.
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| Posted 1/27/2018 6:17:07 PM |
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PROJECTION REPORT: Vertigo’s Batman Tumbler
Vertigo's Tumbler Build Update: Projected close range work for next
two months. (For me that will be around 75-hours, maybe more.)
Continue cutting and welding on remaining upper Tumbler framing.
Continue cutting and welding on body panels.
Cut and weld propane tank valve protection shields.
Cut and weld, blow out compartments concealed within the body panels
for fuel tanks.
vertigo
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| Posted 1/28/2018 1:00:19 PM |
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Donor vehicles in the UK: My two cents. 
All depends on what you want the final build to be. I didn't want a full size 89, so most other builders choice of donor did not apply. Both that and the fact I am stuck in the UK, made the choice of donor limited. Almost all UK cars are unibody construction and not body on frame, so that just complicates matters further if you want to mount a shell on a frame. I had already bought a half size shell within my budget and planned to cut it up and mount it, then fill in the gaps once the right donor had been found.
My original donor was a 'kit car' (Dutton Phaeton) which is pretty much a homemade style vehicle on a 'space frame' chassis (think very small kitcar). That didn't work too well, as the car itself was not really reliable nor safe on the roads although it did drive like a go-kart when I drove it for over a year. After I thought about it for a long time, I decided to go with a ready made street car as a donor. I believed this was gonna be a lot easier to have mine as a daily driver and be reliable in terms of getting it on the road legally along with road tax, MOT and even parts if it broke down.
So I finally went for a Mazda Miata Eunos. Seemed to be the logical choice for me, low down and shape seemed good. Cut up my body shell and had a plan for how to mount it over the donor too, even keeping the windshield, doors and wipers as is 
Unfortunately, before I could start mounting my shell I separated from my wife and had to move out from the family home, so lost my garage. About a year later, had to sell the donor because I had nowhere to keep her, nor could I afford the insurance and other taxes for a 'second' car. Now I am going through a very messy divorce and have no garage, no money and no donor either now.
I still have my dream to complete this, it's just on hold for the foreseeable future until things settle once again. Bottom line, research, learn and adapt. Also never give up. 
  
"There is no end but the end is near!"
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| Posted 1/31/2018 5:58:41 PM |
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I placed a copy of this post here for the possible benefit to anyone
planning to and/or actually building a Bat Vehicle.
Donor Vehicle Preparation
PART ONE
This will depend on how much of the donor vehicle will be used.
If you are just after the frame or a rolling chassis then you can just
record on a piece of paper the make, model, year, and other relevant
information that would be needed to be able to order parts.
Remove the battery, drain the fuel tank, and remove the tank.
A drained fuel tank is still dangerous due to fuel vapors and can burn
and/or explode from any source of heat such as gas cutting torches and
stray sparks from electrical shorts, grinders, saws, drills, and even
from metal on metal friction sparks.
Gasoline has a flash point of -50 degrees Fahrenheit
Flash point of a flammable liquid is defined as the lowest temperature
at which it can form an ignitable mixture in air.
Gasoline has an ignition/fire point of 495 degrees Fahrenheit
Ignition/Fire point, which is a slightly higher temperature, is the
temperature at which vapors of the flammable liquid continue to burn
after being ignited even after the source of ignition is removed.
Remove unneeded body parts from the donor vehicle. This will likely
include all doors, body panels, hood, interior, dashboard, seats, etc.
Try to recover parts in good condition as these can be sold.
Place the donor vehicle chassis on good quality, strong, jack stands.
Clean and prepare the bare chassis, particularly, if you intend to
take the vehicle to car shows. Remove dirt and grime completely before
spraying with an undercoating.
Next, update and/or replace worn suspension parts.
That’s it. You are now ready to build your Bat Vehicle.
Part Two will cover preparing a donor vehicle for significant
integration into a Bat vehicle. The donor vehicle will most likely
contribute 30-40%, or more, to these Bat Vehicle builds. vertigo
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