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Posted 9/12/2014 11:12:33 PM
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Hello Everyone,
Since you are reading this you already probably have some level of desire to build a Bat Vehicle. But, do you have the mental endurance to go with that desire? My research shows 1/2 of 1-percent 0.05% of those who proclaim the start of a Bat Vehicle build will actually finish their build. From my observation it looks like the average build takes around four years to complete. Don't have many skills and little money? You can still get over halfway on a four year Bat Vehicle build with as little as 500.oo spent over the first two years. That's about 22.oo a month. I opened this thread to see if anyone out there would be interested in furthering the exploration of my inquiry. I see that a lot of guests visit the forum. I hope some of you will join us as members. vertigo
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Posted 9/14/2014 3:24:52 PM


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Post #115657
Posted 9/19/2014 9:49:37 PM
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Hey Everyone,
PART I
So, how does someone get half way on a four year Bat Vehicle build in two years and spend only about 500.oo? You use the STRATEGIC BUILDING METHOD: The preferred building method used almost exclusively to design and build cars, planes, boats, buildings, etc., etc.,.....up into the 1980s and still used with modifications made to accomidate the computer, CAD (Computer Aided Drafting), and CNC (Computer Numeric Control). The biggest advantage to this method is in the way demands for resources are managed (proven demand) and in that if you fail in your build you have lost very little except for your invested time.
First: Set up your research files, organized into a manageable system, and start collecting relevant written word and photograph/drawing information, along with any available scale models. Second: Set up your resource files and collect the sources/locations/addresses/phone numbers/web contacts for materials, parts, skilled labor, etc., as you find them. vertigo
Post #117695
Posted 9/19/2014 10:23:49 PM
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Hello Everyone,
PART II
STEP THREE: DESIGNING YOUR BAT VEHICLE
"But, don't I need a computer and a CAD (Computer Aided Drafting) program before I can even start my design," you ask? You probably already have access to a computer and there are free drawing programs online. NOTE: 99.99 or more of everything built today can be built without a computer, CAD, or CNC. Before computers, CAD, and CNC programs designers used the pantograph, grid scaling, or enlargement transparency projectors along with rulers, angles, protractors, circle compasses, and dividers. Short run repeat part making was done with template patterns and industrial long production was done with part duplicators. Basically, one human operator making a part on a machine that was mechanically linked with other machines that followed along and made another copy for each additional machine. AXIOM: A SUCCESSFUL PAST TECHNOLOGY, THOUGH MADE OBSOLETE BY IMPROVED TECHNOLOGY, NEVER BECOMES NON-USEABLE. vertigo
Post #117698
Posted 9/20/2014 10:46:52 PM
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PART III
STEP FOUR: DRAWING YOUR BAT VEHICLE
Even with the availability of CAD (Computer Aided Drafting) programs, many INDIVIDUAL DESIGNERS still use PENCIL DRAWN SCALED DRAWINGS because corrections and changes only require an eraser. Maybe a bigger reason is that to master CAD programs often take one to two thousand hours to truly be really good with them. One artist/metal sculpture designer friend of mine said it this way. "I wanted to be an artist and metal sculpture designer, not a computer aided draftsman." The main thing to remember about pencil drawn scale drawings is the consistency of scale. Many individual designers use 1:6, 1:4, or 1:3 scales in their drawings. My artist/metal sculpture designer friend uses a 1:1. Why I asked him? "I draw 1:1 life-sized because I don't have to scale up when I'm ready to build. I just trace my templates and cut my other parts to my drawings, he said." I also use a 1:1 life-sized drawing scale when I draw parts for my Tumbler. So, if asked by a new Bat Vehicle builder in the drawing stage I'd have to recommend the 1:1 life-sized scale because it really cuts down on the confusion and measurement errors. vertigo
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Posted 9/24/2014 3:16:36 PM
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PART IV

STEP FIVE: MOCKING UP OR MODELING YOUR BAT VEHICLE-a brief understanding of the language

If you have traveled this far towards building you Bat Vehicle, it’s time to give your dream, the breath of life and bring it into the 3D reality of the physical world.

The language of modeling and mocking up.  So, what is a model? The name comes from French modèle, from Italian modello, diminutive of modo, form, from Latin modus, measure, standard.  The most important use of models in history was their use to measure. In manufacturing and design, a mockup, or mock-up, is a scale or full-size model of a design or device, used for teaching, demonstration, design evaluation, promotion, and other purposes. A mockup is a prototype if it provides at least part of the functionality of a system and enables testing of a design. In modern times when we speak of physical models most of us mentally picture the exterior display model. This model is used to display the overall exterior dimensions and characteristics while usually providing little to nothing on the interior aspects. The structural model is a detailed model to the core, modeling the interior structures to provide a description of components in their inter-functional relationships to each other. vertigo     

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Posted 9/24/2014 4:37:56 PM
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PART IV

STEP FIVE: MOCKING UP OR MODELING YOUR BAT VEHICLE-actually building your structural model.

Choose your scale: ( 1:4, 1:2, or 1:1 )  If you truly believe you will build your Bat Vehicle then I suggest a 1:1 scale. That said, your model will need a storage space large enough to store the real vehicle. Space available to store your model will be the deciding factor. Go with the largest scale you can store. If a 1:1 vehicle needs 10 x 20 feet dropping to a 1:2 vehicle needs only 5 x 10 feet (a quarter of the 1:1 area and dropping down to a 1:4 needs only 2-1/2 x 5 feet. (a sixteenth 1/16 of the 1:1 area) The 1:1 scale is the easiest to work with and has almost no conforming confusion or errors of measurement because they require no scaling up. The 1:2 and 1:4 scales are the second easiest without much increase in conforming confusion or errors of measurement in scaling up to build. The 1:3 and 1:6 scales produce the most conforming confusion and errors of measurement in scaling up to build. Research has shown that the brain likes and makes fewer mistakes with the 1:1, 1:2, and 1:4 scales, than with the 1:3 and 1:6 scales. However, with enough focus and determination a vehicle builder could use any scale and overcome all errors of conforming and measuring. Note: 1:6 scaling became popular in toys and models because a 72” tall figure in 1:6 scale is 12” tall. GI Joe has a complete line of figures and matching vehicles as does Hot Toys Batman figures. vertigo

Post #119719
Posted 9/25/2014 3:07:24 PM
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PART IV

STEP FIVE: MOCKING UP OR MODELING YOUR BAT VEHICLE-actually building your structural model.

Conforming your model building materials to scale: For a display model you might cut the bottom frame and chassis from a single piece of ¼” plywood but for a structural model you would build it from scaled pieces. For example if you were building your chassis from 3” X 4” steel tubing and you were building your model in wood with a 1:4 scale you would conform your wood to 3/4” X 1”. Put another way, conforming is making your model's building raw materials conform in reduced scale to the life-sized real vehicle building materials. Some models lend themselves toward a particular scale. For example the Tumbler has a frame made from mostly 2-inch round tubing. Copper tubing in 1/2-inch is readily available for home plumbing and is easy to form with a simple bender. So, I might scale from my copper tubing material’s diameter to the overall model. vertigo      

Post #119727
Posted 9/25/2014 4:11:33 PM
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PART IV

STEP FIVE: MOCKING UP OR MODELING YOUR BAT VEHICLE-actually building your structural model.

Start building your model: Cut and finish each piece to your scale. Build your model like you were building the real Bat Vehicle. Don’t build major components like the engine, transmission, tires, etc. because you may be able to find a scaled to size model engine, transmission, tires, etc. on the internet at the model maker sites. If you must build a major component treat the construction of the component as a sub-display model. Detailed on the outside with no structural details on the inside. Build the model to the best of your abilities.

Post #119728
Posted 9/25/2014 4:13:26 PM
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PART IV

STEP FIVE: MOCKING UP OR MODELING YOUR BAT VEHICLE-actually building your structural model.

Summary: Remember the structural model is a representational rendering of your abilities. It has challenged you on the core organizational, visual, and spatial skills necessary to build your dream. If you are able to build a high quality structural model representation of your dream Bat Vehicle, you most likely have what it takes to build your Bat Vehicle into reality and you are quite a measure over half way. You are ready to leave the representational world and start building your Bat Vehicle in reality. Any skills missing you can learn. If you can’t build a structural model of your Bat Vehicle you most likely won’t be able to build the real machine unless you can afford spending a significant amount of money. vertigo          

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