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Posted 10/19/2017 8:31:03 PM
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Here is an interesting photo image comparison of the Jada, Moebius, and Hot Wheels Elite B v S DOJ Batmobiles.
The Jada is 1:25 scale.
The Moebius is 1:25 scale.
The Hot Wheels Elite is 1:18

If you compare the Jada against the Hot Wheels, the scale differences are pretty obvious.

If you compare the Jade against the Moebius it looks like the Moebius might be closer to 1:18 than 1:25 scale.

If you compare the Moebius against the Hot Wheels they look a lot closer in actual scale than the 1:25 / 1:18 relationship would indicate. vertigo


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Posted 10/24/2017 5:40:20 PM
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Placed a copy of this post here for the potential benefit to those
planning to/and/or/ actually building a Bat Vehicle.

Here is something that you might find invaluable when using scale
models to build Bat Vehicles. Will save you vast time and headaches
from making scaling calculation errors.

Go to Wikipedia

Search: LIST OF SCALE MODEL SIZES

Here you will find virtually every scaling relationship and common
uses, related to each scale and their reference by: RATIO, INCHES per
foot, and MILLIMETERS.

Scroll down to the end of this list and under the ADDITIONAL RESOURCE
section and you will find a click on link to a SCALE CONVERSION
CALCULATOR.

Under the SCALE CONVERSION CALCULATOR you will find three, very easy
to use, plug in the variables, conversion calculators.

CONVERT FROM REAL-LIFE TO SCALE

CONVERT FROM SCALE TO REAL-LIFE

CONVERT FROM ONE MODEL SCALE DIMENSION TO ANOTHER SCALE DIMENSION
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Posted 11/1/2017 6:07:27 PM
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MODELS: Since I have been planning extensively to build the B v S /
DOJ / Batman Justice League / Batmobile / I have acquired all the
relevant quality plastic and digital models related to the B v S / DOJ
/ Batman Justice League / Batmobile / except for the Hot Toy’s 1:6.  I
used a similar model collecting strategy for building my Tumbler. I
never met anyone who built a Bat Vehicle that didn’t have one or more
related models.

Put my name on a reservation list a few months back and it arrived
today. Have not had a chance to examine it in detail yet but will post
detailed and comparative photo-images after I find the time to look at
it more closely this weekend.

I have seen and handled a couple of R/C B v S DOJ Batmobiles but
passed on buying because scaling and details were blurred and
incorrect.

Mattel promised that scaling, details, proportions, are sharp,
accurate, and movie correct. Photo-images from Mattel appear to
support their claim but only after I examine mine this weekend will I
be able to say this is true for sure.

MATTEL: Justice League™ Ultimate Justice League™ Remote Control
Batmobile™ Vehicle + Figure

Product Features

Prepare for the next level of RC play and authentic, true-to-movie
battle action with the Ultimate Justice League™ Batmobile™! The
vehicle's cockpit has a built in camera that transmits the driver's
POV to a smart phone for a thrilling, front seat ride! Place the
highly detailed, new movie Batman™ action figure behind the wheel and
speed to the crime scene. See smoke release from the tailpipe and the
engine roar! The figure's arm turns the wheel as the powerful
Batmobile™ races at top velocity! When DC Super-Villains are in range,
engage the special "jump mode" and elevate the Batmobile™ for prime
targeting. Fire the four missiles from the hood of the car and save
Gotham City! With Batman™ and this true-to-movie RC Batmobile™, fans
get the ultimate, interactive Justice League™ action!

Deluxe, remote controlled Batmobile™ with premium Justice League™
movie features.

Interactive control with a smart phone app and driver's POV camera in cockpit.

6" scale Batman™ figure has body movements with arm that turns the wheel.

Engine makes authentic sounds and smoke releases from the exhaust pipe.

Four armored wheels roll and missiles move on hood of the car and fire.

Special "jump mode" elevates the vehicle for better aim.


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Posted 11/3/2017 8:36:59 PM
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Found a few hours today to examine my Mattel 1:10 scale RC Justice
League Batmobile.
Upon opening the box one is immediately struck by the presence, sharp
lines, and details of this Justice League vehicle. Just on these looks
alone the 250.00 price tag seems very reasonable.
I have no regrets on this purchase.

Took some measurements of the vehicle. Starting with the Batman figure
that measured 6-1/2 inches tall. That translates from scale to a human
size of 5' - 5" tall. The Batman figure should be 7-3/16" tall to be
in a proper scale relationship. The vehicle wheel base measures 15
inches and scales out to a 150" real vehicle wheel base. Specifics on
the real DOJ / Justice League Batmobile list a 173" wheel base. Other
pieces are skewed as well. Read some of the online literature that
describe it as 1:10 scale but does not call it a scale model. Good
play on words. Movie correct description is not exactly accurate but
in this case from an eclectic perspective everything looks right. The
cannon seems out of place but after removing everything else blends
well except for the side mechanics which are very shallow.
Compared this vehicle with Mobieus, Jada, Hot Wheels elite, and
photo-images of the Hot Toy's 1:6 DOJ Batmobiles.
SUMMARY:
Mattel 1:10 scale  RC Justice League Batmobile: Excellent RC and
display piece but not that good for a true movie correct build.
The Hot Toy's 1:6 DOJ or final rendition will be the best for a movie
correct build.
Of the scale models currently available, the Hot Wheels Elite 1:18 DOJ
appears to the most accurate scale model and has the best detail and
mechanics. vertigo


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Posted 11/3/2017 10:02:05 PM
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HOW CAN WE FIGURE OUT WHAT IS TRULY MOVIE CORRECT?
We have 6 good models, (7 after the Hot Toy's 1:16 is released) available for the DOJ / Justice League Batmobile. Each of these has various degrees of scaling and detailing errors.
Shoot photo-images of each model from sides, back, front, top.
Gather photo-images of the real DOJ / Justice League Batmobile sides, back, front, and top.
Conform all photo-images from models and real Batmobile to one single scale.
Convert photo-images from real Batmobile into transparencies. (Digital or physical.
Use these to overlay the corresponding model images. Deviations from the real Batmobile should be readily apparent. This can be done in Photoshop or physically with printed photographs and transparencies. Could also convert images with Illustrator or Photoshop into line drawings and/or vectors. vertigo 
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Posted 11/5/2017 5:35:42 PM
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My Batman v Superman DOJ /Justice League/ Stand alone, Batmobile
philosophy is the same as my Tumbler building philosophy. I would build the this Batmobile
not as a labor but as a pleasure with an unhurried moment to moment appreciation of the
experience and no set goal as to time of completion. Humbled by the
this bat mobile's complexity and a lack of historical perspective, I have spent the
past 15-months doing a detailed literature and mechanical review.
Reviewed and studied internet, videos, books, drawings,
sketches, models, toys, and thousands of photographs. When my searches
began to produce mostly redundant information I felt ready to move to
the next phase. From my Tumbler design and construction skills I feel I'm probably about 95%
prepared to physically build this batmobile. I plan to work a minimum of one hour a day but
like my Tumbler I realize the exhilaration from the physical construction may extend
that significantly. Currently aiming for a 1-January-2018 physical build start date.
Have a donor vehicle but have another, more desirable, donor vehicle that I am chasing after. vertigo
Post #159813
Posted 11/7/2017 5:16:41 PM
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I placed a copy of this post here for anyone that might be able to
benefit from it in planning to, and/or, actually building a Bat
Vehicle.

paulwayne
“Good job vertigo another box ticked.”

Not quite. The box is only half ticked.
Only have the two inside rear dually wheels and tires completed and
ready for mounting on axle.

War Machine
“I know it takes more work than most realize to do some of the things
needed and often people always see things as slow progress or not much
happening but in reality the amount of work that is done behind the
scenes is just crazy...”
How very true.  vertigo

Hope to put in enough hours to finish the remaining two outside dually
rear Tumbler wheels this weekend. Right now, these two wheels are
about 75% completed.

Still need to:
Finish structural welding on wheels.
Fabricate and weld in outer dish plates.
Fabricate and weld in mounting brackets for bead lock rings.
Fabricate outer simulated bead lock rings and other decorative pieces.
Drill and fit simulated bead lock rings and decorative pieces to
welded on mounting brackets.
Do finishing work:
Deburring, grinding and wire brushing.
Remove old paint and rust.
Final washing with acetone.
Coat with two layers of primer
Apply two coats of finish paint
Mount the tires on the wheels

MOUNT THE FOUR FINISHED TIRES/WHEELS ON MY TUMBLERS REAR AXLE!!!

Given my wheel building experience, so far, with fabricating the rear
steel wheels, I can see why one high end custom wheel maker wanted
10,000.00 plus shipping to build the Tumbler’s four rear dually wheels
to specifications that are very, very, similar to mine. (Includes the 4 Sam-43 Super Swamper tires."


There are many wheel builders listed online. Most claim their wheels
are not for highway use and are for off-road and agricultural use
only. The ones that say they build wheels for highway use are much
more expensive. (Lots of liability building wheels for high speed
highway use.)
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Posted 11/8/2017 5:34:22 PM
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Received a personal email that asked:

“What kind of MIG welder are you using to weld your wheels?”

My whole steel wheel welding project is being completed with a 200.00
oxy/acetylene cutting torch and a used 100.00 Lincoln stick welder set
on 120 with 6011 rods, as a tribute to the potential builder who is
waiting to start a Bat Vehicle build until they have acquired the
right tools. Inspiration and tools are 1% and the rest is study,
perseverance, determination, and perspiration.

I like to describe it as: THE COURAGE TO BUILD IN THE FACE OF
ADVERSITY.  vertigo
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Posted 11/8/2017 6:41:56 PM
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I placed a copy of this post here for anyone that might be able to
benefit from it in planning to, and/or, actually building a Bat
Vehicle.

Here is one area that I increase the production output of my building hours.
WELDING
With my Lincoln stick arc welder I can run 5 rods in 7-8 minutes
before it needs to cool down for 10-15 minutes. Also, know as the duty
cycle. So I run 5 rods welding on my Tumbler and while the welder
cools down I use that 15-minutes to work on another area of my Tumbler
build.
I could use the same method with my MIG. It too, can only run so much
wire before it needs a cool down. (Duty cycle) Unless, you have a MIG
gun that circulates water to keep it cool. Then you have a 100% duty
cycle.

To find your welder's duty cycle check your welder's manual.
The duty cycle has two parts: The total cycle time and the work time /
cooling time, usually expressed as a percentage.
Example 1: Duty Cycle:  10-minutes / 20%
This means per ten minute period you can weld for 2-minutes and need
to cool for 8-minutes.
Example 2: Duty Cycle: 10-minutes / 40%
This means per ten minute period you can weld for 4-minutes and need
to cool for 6-minutes.
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Posted 11/10/2017 5:35:43 PM
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The Thinking Steps to Solve Complex Systems Bat Vehicle Building
Problems:  Example: the Tumbler front suspension.

Albert Einstein, “Problems cannot be solved using the same level of
thinking that created them.”

Part of the problem of thinking about a complex vehicle building
problem is the way we approach it. A quick overview of common vehicle
building problem solving techniques indicates that most of these
methods focus on the problem (linear relationships) without
consideration of its relationship to the external problem environment
where the problem exists. (Linear Blindness.)

Systems thinking, developed by Jay Forrester of MIT attempts to remedy
the limitations of linear problem solving.

The idea is described in his book, The Fifth Discipline, as follows:
“Systems thinking is a discipline for seeing wholes. It is a framework
for seeing interrelationships rather than things, for seeing patterns
of change rather than static ‘snapshots. A common example of the
systems thinking method is the life around us where multiple systems
interact with each other and are affected by each other.”

Complex system problems that involve different factors, which require
understanding the big picture in order to be efficiently solved such
as constructing the Batman Tumbler front suspension or re-configuring
the Batman v Superman DOJ / Justice League Batmobile from 12 feet wide
to a street legal 8-1/2 foot vehicle.

Situations that are affecting, are being affected by, or affect the
surrounding systems, such as the skill level of the Bat Vehicle
builder, financial resources, and the base of operations. (Your
available building space and its tolerance of building noise.)

 Concepts of Systems Thinking

In order to understand systems thinking, a number of concepts should
be highlighted in order to define the relation between the problem and
the other elements in the system and how to observe this relation in
order to reach an effective solution. These principles include the
following.

 All systems are composed of interconnected parts, and changing one
part affects the entire system, including other parts.

 The structure of a system determines its behavior, which means that
the system depends on the connection between parts rather that the
part themselves.

System behavior is an emergent phenomenon. System behavior is hard to
predict due its continuously changing, non-linear relations and its
time delay. It can’t be predicted by simply inspecting its elements or
structure.

Feedback loops control a system’s major dynamic behavior. The feedback
loop is a number of connections causing an output from one part to
eventually influence input to that same part. The number of feedback
loops are larger than the system parts, which contributes to
increasing system complicity.

Introspective bias and errors in thinking will produce
counterintuitive behaviors.
Example: When I made the decision to straighten my Tumbler’s front
arms from an engineering perspective without consideration of the
artistic ramifications that it would produce.

Write it all down with sketches as needed.
“If you are not writing it down, you are only daydreaming.” Einstein

Systems Thinking in Three Steps

Set 1: State the Problem, understand and describe it and the whole
system relationship rather than individual parts.
Example: I need to build the Tumbler’s front suspension.

Step 2: Draw possible solution behaviors out over a continuity of time
continuum. A desk top calendar or line graph (vertical or horizontal)
This is the in order, step by step planning, and includes, adding,
and/or, improving and missing or deficient skills.
Example: Tumbler planning/building steps and in my case study welding
jigs and fixtures.

Step 3: Create a Summary Focusing Statement
At this point, you should have a clear vision about the Bat Vehicle
system problem solving process. Write a statement that defines the
target problem and overall problem(s) solving plans and strategies.
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