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Posted 4/13/2018 11:09:58 AM
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Place a copy of this post here for anyone planning to and/or actually building the DOJ/Justice League Bat Vehicle.

Hey THEMAN
Welcome to the forum.
Thanks for the information and your input.
Hope you will join us with your own build log.
Have you actually started to build yet or still in the planning phases.
You don't have to have physically started your build to contribute meaningfully to a build log.
Could start with an introductory post about why you want to build the DOJ/Justice League Bat Vehicle.
Could then add a few posts on how you have solved your build space problems.
Then follow these up with some posts about how you have been researching for this build and
others about the really important things you have learned about doing this build. vertigo

THEMAN
"I'm guessing you're doing major frame changes, and chopping the cab down to fit low into the new frame config? Are you also doing a true rear triangulated four link, and building out wider width front upper and lower control arms+tie rods+etc? Have you decided what shocks/suspension you're using yet?"

Chose the 3500 for the strength and the title.
Expecting to make major frame modifications.
My Tumbler has a trianglulated four link but might not need one for this build.
Currently plan to widen the front end. (Have been looking at modifying a four wheel drive front end)
Current shocks/suspension are a good starting point. There is enough already there to support a 3000 pound steel body.

I hear knowledge, wisdom, experience, and a lot of build skills in your words.
This is a difficult build with lots of challenges.
Hope you will join sly and myself on this build. vertigo
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Posted 4/13/2018 8:35:19 PM
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Placed a copy of this post here for anyone planning to, and/or, actually building the DOJ/Justice League Bat Vehicle.

sly,
"Wow, you have done some impressive work Vert. Are you saving any of the parts for resale?"

Thanks for noticing and the kind words.

Saving doors, hood, bumper, etc. for resale.

After establishing a well defined set of parameters and studying many different possible donor vehicles for many hours and through a final process of elimination I settled on the Dodge 3500. I am still convinced the Dodge 3500 or similar Ford 350, etc. is still the best fit donor for the DOJ/Justice League reduced scale street legal build and the full-size as well. Unless someone is going to build a movie correct vehicle.

For me, I concluded that my donor should be bought complete and intact for this build.

The process of stripping down the 3500 and spending time in it's presence has been quite stimulating, revealing, and inspirational and has contributed significantly to my eclectic mental picture of the DOJ/Justice League Bat Vehicle. vertigo

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Posted 4/14/2018 11:26:30 AM
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sly
"So what's your opinion Vertigo? Full size or slightly smaller?"

I decided early in my study of the DOJ/Justice League that I would only build a street legal version, so, no full-sized version for me. I wouldn't build this Bat Vehicle if I could not drive it on public roadways.

If I just couldn't accept the limitations of a reduced scale version and had to have a full-sized movie correct version I would have to accept the limitations of the full-sized movie correct as well.
Can't drive it on the road and special transport restrictions and limitations to take it to a location where I could drive it. Basically, I can only look at it in a static display mode. I might as well have a life-sized movie correct foam replica on permanent display.

I am definitely going for the reduced scale, slightly smaller, and skewed version of this build. vertigo
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Posted 4/16/2018 8:31:04 PM
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Excellent summary photo-image of all the Batmobiles together.
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Posted 4/28/2018 7:54:53 PM
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Placed a copy of this post here for the possible benefit of anyone planning to, and/or, actually building a Bat Vehicle.

Received a personal email today asking why I have never talked about collecting blue print art.
In particular Batmobiles and other Batman related blue print art.
Indeed there are thousands of Batman related blue print art pieces for sale on the internet.

Part One
The general history of the blue printing process.

WIKIPEDIA
Here is an excerpt from Wikipedia.
Wikipedia has a very good contributory article on the subject.
Very worth reading if you are considering collecting blue print art.

Blueprint
From Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

"A blueprint is a reproduction of a technical drawing, documenting an architecture or an engineering design, using a contact print process on light-sensitive sheets. Introduced in the 19th century, the process allowed rapid and accurate reproduction of documents used in construction and industry. The blue-print process was characterized by light-colored lines on a blue background, a negative of the original. The process was unable to reproduce color or shades of grey.
Various base materials have been used for blueprints. Paper was a common choice; for more durable prints linen was sometimes used, but with time, the linen prints would shrink slightly. To combat this problem, printing on imitation vellum and, later, polyester film (Mylar) was implemented.
The process has been largely displaced by the diazo whiteprint process and by large-format xerographic photocopiers, so reproduced drawings are usually called "prints" or just "drawings".
The term blueprint is also used less formally to refer to any floor plan and even more informally, any type of plan).

The blueprint processes
In 1861, Alphonse Louis Poitevin, a French chemist, found that ferro-gallate in gum is light sensitive.Light turns this to an insoluble permanent blue. A coating of this chemical on a paper or other base may be used to reproduce an image from a translucent document.
The ferro-gallate is coated onto a paper from aqueous solution and dried. The coating is yellow. In darkness, it is stable for up to three days. It is clamped under glass and a light transmitting document in a daylight exposure frame which is similar to a picture frame. The frame is put out into daylight requiring a minute or two under a bright sun or about ten times this under an overcast sky. Where ultra-violet light is transmitted the coating converts to a stable blue or black dye. The image can be seen forming. When a strong image is seen the frame is brought indoors and the unconverted coating, under the original image, is washed away. The paper is then dried.
The result is a copy of the original image with the clear background area rendered dark blue and the image reproduced as a white line. The image is stable. The contact printing process has the advantage that no large-field optical system is required. A further advantage is that the reproduced document will have the same scale as the original. Another quality is that the dark blue background makes it difficult to add new information to the print (such as recording as-built changes); a blueprint cannot easily be altered—depending on the situation, this can be either a strength or a drawback. Since the paper is soaked in liquid during processing, a minor change of scale can occur, and the paper can also become brittle. Engineering drawings often are marked to remind users not to rely on the scale of reproductions.
Other blueprint processes based on photosensitive ferric compounds have been used. The best known is probably a process using ammonium ferric citrate and potassium ferricyanide. In this procedure, a distinctly blue compound is formed and the process is also known as cyanotype. The paper is impregnated with a solution of ammonium ferric citrate and dried. When the paper is illuminated, a photoreaction turns the trivalent (ferric) iron into divalent (ferrous) iron. The image is then developed using a solution of potassium ferricyanide forming insoluble ferroferricyanide (Turnbell's blue identical to Prussian blue) with the divalent iron. Excess ammonium ferric citrate and potassium ferricyanide are then washed away.
This is a simple process for the reproduction of any light transmitting document. Engineers and architects drew their designs on cartridge paper; these were then traced on to tracing paper using India ink for reproduction whenever needed."
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Posted 5/6/2018 10:53:09 PM
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Placed a copy of this post here for the benefit of anyone planning to build and/or actually building a DOJ/Justice League Bat Vehicle.
There are a number of toy and model dealers, as well as quite a few individual owners, that have this RC in their collections, myself included, that believe the scaling ratio works out better when compared to the movie correct vehicle as a 1:12 than a 1:10. Can start with the Batman figure included that is 6-inches tall. That makes him a 1:12 in my opinion. Makes a good display model and the price has fallen to as low as 129.00 on Amazon due Mattel's screw up with using a phone app to steer instead of the familiar hand held controller. vertigo
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