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Posted 4/12/2014 2:14:21 PM |
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HI,
I found this site by accident when I was researching the web to start a tumbler build and it has been really informational. The 1 thing that I have not been able to figure out is how the rear tires are being put on the back of these cars. Standard dually wheels won't mount those big tires and I haven't seen any build pics of how these tires are being bolted on to the rear axle. Does anyone have any details or pics ?
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Posted 4/13/2014 12:47:21 AM |
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Hey Stark1, for some reason DooHee felt compelled to ask me if I had seen your question and I guess answer it to the best of my abilities. Now consider I finished my Rumbler 4 or 5 years ago and one I am about to say may be technically incorrect but generally correct. Mostly due to my memory loss and just being a little stupid. The original Tumbler used a ford 9 inch rear end with what I assume is spacer/ adapters since the vehicle is like 9 1/2 feet wide. The maximum width of a vehicle is suppose to be under 8 1/2 feet to be legally driven on the highway. My first axle was from a 98 Camaro and was insanely too weak even if I were to truss it out. The steel wheel with the 44 inch TSL tires weighed about 175lbs each. When I put them on the axle it was obvious the axle housing was too weak and the wheel bearings were too small. So I had a custom axle built which uses a floating axle design where the axle has a spindle and the hub has two sets of bearings per side to handle the added weight. My original rims I had fabricated were 15" x 15" wide steel rims. The rims made the wheel balloon out too much and was obvious it wasn't the right size. But hey back in the day we were all guessing. The biggest problem with my first set of rims was the backspacing. The rims were made to convert a regular truck to a dually and although the tires fit the tires were contacting each other when they were mounted, Problem with that is it generates heat which can prematurely aging of the tire and possibly cause a blowout. Another big issue is this dually set used an adapter which was forged aluminum. That process is weaker than say billet aluminum and with that much weight on each side there was a possibility of failure on the adapter. So my final set of custom fabricated rims used two dually rims to create one rim. The back spacing which is the difference from the back of the rim to the mounting face was a negative backspacing and the rims went to !6 1/2" to 12 inches wide which was perfect. It allowed a gap of 1 1/2 inches between the tires and my wheel mounting plates touched and mounted directly to the hub with no under' "bat builder" if you want to follow my current builds or just say Hi. Good luck in your build and may the force be with you....Big Wave Dave
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Posted 4/13/2014 7:29:50 PM |
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Thank you so much ! Just to clarify, you added 6.5" of negative offset to the inside of a stock dually wheel and 6.5" of positive offset to the outside wheel to make a pair of 12" dually wheels with a 1.5" gap between the 44-18.5 super swampers. Whats the link to your current builds ?
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Posted 4/13/2014 10:58:13 PM |
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Posted 4/14/2014 1:21:06 AM |
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Hey Stark1, everything you said is good except the offset. I didn't mention offset. Im talking about backspacing. Im not sure of the exact measurement off the top of my head but lets say it was -4 inches of backspacing. The bulge of the wheel is lets say 1 1/4 and that leaves 3/4 of an inch added to the 3/4' on the same size dually rim leaves 1 1/2 spacing. All the rims are exactly the same so that means the 12 inch rim with -4 of backspacing has the inner dually returning about 16" back over the axle. This is what makes the rear axle so tough. The lower link of the fourlink suspension run straight back to the axle but the top links of the four link runs from the center of the chassis to way inside the inner dually. That's a big reason why the Tumbler is rocking through the streets at high speeds in the movie, in addition to the narrow stance of the front wheels. On my Rumbler I used 22" wide mickey Thompsons and move the front wheels way out for a better stance. Also fabricated a graduating sway bar on the rear end using varing sizes of DOM tubing. Those Hoosier dirt track tires have zero sidewall strength. I looked at each piece of the Tumbler and tried to improve it where possible. Here's me and my business partner testing out the suspension lol....BWD
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