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Well, for my money now that Batman has arrived in Gotham it is time to develop his other skills. I think it would be good for Nolan to take Bruce Wayne into the study of Escapology.
After many of the finest danger situations are beaten, the Houdini water torture chamber would be a good scene to play out, especially if Bruce proved unsucessful in his attempts and had to be rescued by Alfred. This defeat at an early stage against himself, would bring a drive and purpose to his study for improvement of his already impressive skills.
The problems with the new Batman movies are that they have to walk a fine line with how the villians are played out. Let's take a look why....
Jack Nicholson's Joker was clearly set from a 1930's Gangster template, not altogether a problem. His offset mentality should not eclipse Bale's Batman, and to me Jack was Showboating in this film... Baaaaaaaaaaad.
Danny Devito and Michelle Pfiefer were a class act, however Danny's Penguin was played to a slimy pervert angle, and it sat uneasy in this medium. Michele's shattered psyche was just perfect and I would have liked to have seen more of that side of her. To be continued.....
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| Posted 6/24/2005 2:44:41 PM |
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| Do you like Phil Collins? I've been a big Genesis fan ever since the release of their 1980 album, Duke. Before that, I really didn't understand any of their work. Too artsy, too intellectual. It was on Duke where Phil Collins' presence became more apparent. I think Invisible Touch was the group's undisputed masterpiece. It's an epic meditation on intangibility. At the same time, it deepens and enriches the meaning of the preceding three albums. Listen to the brilliant ensemble playing of Banks, Collins and Rutherford. You can practically hear every nuance of every instrument. In terms of lyrical craftsmanship, the sheer songwriting, this album hits a new peak of professionalism. Take the lyrics to Land of Confusion. In this song, Phil Collins addresses the problems of abusive political authority. In Too Deep is the most moving pop song of the 1980s, about monogamy and commitment. The song is extremely uplifting. Their lyrics are as positive and affirmative as anything I've heard in rock. Phil Collins' solo career seems to be more commercial and therefore more satisfying, in a narrower way. Especially songs like In the Air Tonight and Against All Odds. But I also think Phil Collins works best within the confines of the group, than as a solo artist, and I stress the word artist.
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| Posted 6/24/2005 3:03:18 PM |
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For Harvey Dent/Two-face the actual act of being scarred and the revulsion it causes should be the driving factor in his decisions. In this world of "Plastic Fantastic" the downfall of this man should be that he is beyond hope, and help. This should be the drive to cause misery on the "beautiful people of Gotham" and one of his many targets should be bruce wayne, not batman. Tommy Lee Jones was sadly only interested in this role to please his children, so an actor who plainly gives a damn about the role is paramount to this story.
The Riddler was much better, but was really only Jim Carrey turned up louder. The darkness and frustrations of having to think slower for others and his solitude as a social outcast should be his element of harm... the smited child within us all plays out the "We are really better than the class jock" scenario, this is a chance for riddler to pay all of gotham back for gotham's ridicule of him as a genius and a person.
Uma Thurman, sorry....wrong role for you. If anyone in that film should have been Ivy, it should have been Elle. Bane was in the role of a lackey... Bane for christ's sake, a mumbling idiot and green with it too. If only Patrick Stewart would have agreed to play Victor Freeze for Burton, Arnie was good in the role, but the script, design and film were adam west material. And just to add my two cents " Hi freeze, I'm Batman" had my eyes rolling and my feet ready to leave....
So for me If it is Joker next, then the rumoured Sean Penn is a blessing. Sure the Crispin Glover fans are out there... and the Adrian Brody fans will chime in too, but Penn is a class actor for this part. So Resurrect Joker if you must, it should be a barrel of laughs.
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| Posted 6/24/2005 3:05:12 PM |
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| Posted 6/25/2005 12:53:07 AM |
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So bottom line is did you like the movie, KeatonCar?
What about the Tumbler?
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| Posted 6/25/2005 2:24:45 AM |
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Hey Tim,
You read American Pscyo too?
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| Posted 6/25/2005 2:31:57 AM |
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 I wondered how long it would take for someone to figure that one out...
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| Posted 6/26/2005 4:30:44 AM |
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You know DooHee, I honestly found myself picking the movie apart while watching it. The score was weak and forgetful. Michael Caine played Michael Caine, not Alfred Pennyworth.
Bale's Lisp as Batman should have been a give away to Katie Holmes that it was Bruce. The car is still ugly no matter how much action you give it. Sorry, but it would not have looked out of place in any movie directed by Michael Bay, it just needed more done to it to make it a Batmobile, maybe a bat themed battering ram that protected the front tires????? how come bale wasn't burned on the face while he was alight, or melted to his suit??? Don't get me wrong, it was a great film.
Scarecrow was good especially his night terror vision of Batman. Falcone was great too, as was Oldman as Jim Gordon. Liam was good, but Ken Watannabe didn't do enough and was wasted in this film. Holmes became less important to me the longer the film went on, and I was bummed out when she lived. Morgan freeman and Rutger were good too, I guess I just like Keaton, his car, Gough, Elfman and Burton too much.
If Nolan ever hired Keaton after Bale has done his three for "The Dark Knight Returns" I like practically every Batman fan would prefer to see that, especially if his old toys were shown, if a little retooled. Maybe the 89 off to one side next to the TankMobile, and of course an Elfman score, it's just Batman with that score. Overall I give it 7/10 but no 
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| Posted 6/27/2005 2:05:30 AM |
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Exactly how I felt.
But I thought Caine did a super job as Alfred(More so than Gough).
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| Posted 6/27/2005 2:06:16 AM |
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| BTW, you never showed us your Michael Keaton autographed Batmobile!
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