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Posted 5/19/2017 8:11:55 PM
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I posted a copy of this post here because it might be of some benefit
to anyone planning, starting, or currently building a Bat Vehicle.
With the recent postings focus on welding I have decide to post on a
question frequently asked of me by those interested in or new to
welding.

“What is the best start out welding book for someone wanting to learn
about or improve on their minimal welding abilities?”

The best current book that meets the needs of those wanting to learn
about or improve their minimal welding abilities is: The Art of
Welding

It really has no current competition in succinct to the point
descriptive text or quality of photo images and illustrations.

Many Junior High schools, High schools, colleges, and welding schools
now use this as their 101 welding introduction text.

The Art of Welding
by  William Galvery
former Professor of Welding Technology
Orange Coast College of California
With input from Ryan Friedlinghaus
Founder and CEO of West Coast Customs
Copyright 2014
Industrial Press
32 Haviland Street
South Norwalk, Connecticut  06854
Toll free: 1-888-528-7852
www.industrialpress.com
Standard Edition:  ISBN 978-0-8311-3475-4
Praxair Edition: ISBN 978-0-8311-3488-4   (this is the edition I have)
Cost approximately: 20.oo
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Posted 5/24/2017 7:42:39 PM
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I placed a copy of this post here because this information on tire
temperature effects on dimensional variables may be of some use to
someone planning and/or building a Bat Vehicle.
Interco list them as 44 x 18.5-16.50
One spec sheet refers to a Tire Diameter Range:
44.0-44.99 inches
At 70 degrees cold the tire is 44.0 inches tall
Once the tire starts rolling, and/or the temperature increases, the
tire will expand.
Throughout the operational range the tire is not supposed to expand
more than an inch in diameter.
There is no information on the range of width expansion throughout the
operational range.
I guess they don’t consider the width expansion variation as important
since the tires were not envisioned to be used in a dually
configuration. Probably the same reason there are no 16.5” dually
steel wheels for these tires
Post #156850
Posted 5/25/2017 7:55:07 PM
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I placed a copy of this post here because this information on
tire-loading calculations may be of some use to someone planning
and/or building a Bat Vehicle.

Calculated the weight factor parameters for my Tumbler.
Each SAM-43 Super Swamper max loading 2855 lbs
X 4 = 11,420 lbs
Each Mickey Thompson front tire max loading 1500 lbs
X 2 = 3,000 lbs
Combined max loading weights = 14,420 lbs
In reality I can only use a factor of 1500 lbs per tire X 6 = 9,000
lbs for any weight loading above axle or in front of the rear tires.
6 equal points of ground contact X 1500 lbs = max loading of 9,000 lbs.
Needed front tires rated at 2855 each to get the full max loading of 11,420 lbs
So, I will try to keep my total Tumber weight around 8,000 lbs or less
but will have 9,000 lbs as a maximum possible total weight if I should
need it.
If I needed a little more tire weight carrying capacity above 9,000
lbs I would have to add some weight back behind the rear axle. The
fulcrum effect would tap into the lost 5,420 lbs of max tire loading
from the rear tires.   vertigo
Post #156864
Posted 5/26/2017 6:40:28 PM
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I placed a copy of this post here because this information on
welding up a horizontal triangulated upper axle mount may be of some use to someone planning
and/or building a Bat Vehicle.
Welded up horizontal triangulated upper axle mount for my GM 14 bolt axle truss. vertigo


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Post #156874
Posted 5/27/2017 7:11:12 PM
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I placed a copy of this post here because this information on
welding up an axle truss may be of some use to someone planning
and/or building a Bat Vehicle.
Welded up truss both on outside and inside of joints.
Used a grinder to clean up and grind all welds smooth on truss and horizontal hemi-joint mount.


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Posted 6/4/2017 6:52:24 PM
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I placed a copy of this post here because this information on
welding up an axle truss may be of some use to someone planning
and/or building a Bat Vehicle.
Spent a few hours on welding truss to GM 14 bolt axle and welded up axle shock absorber mounts for main rear coil over shock absorbers.


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Posted 6/5/2017 6:16:19 PM
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I placed a copy of this post here because this information on
welding up an axle truss may be of some use to someone planning
and/or building a Bat Vehicle.
Spent a few hours finishing the welding on the truss and the lower hemi-joint axle mounts.


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Post #156910
Posted 6/28/2017 7:32:53 PM
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Here are a couple of posts for the person(s) out there thinking about
or just starting out in welding.

You don’t need to start out with a MIG to do excellent welding.

In fact, 95% of those just starting out will do much stronger welding
with a stick arc welder than a MIG. Cost 325.00 new for a Lincoln.

I have welded everything on my Tumber, so far, with a used stick AC
arc welder mostly set on 120 and 6011 1/8” welding rods.

An uncle of mine that owned a ranch welded everything that needed
welding with an old Montgomery Ward arc welder set on 125 and 6011
1/8” welding rods. He welded 1/16” to 2” thick steel without ever
changing the power setting or rod type. This uncle taught me to ARC
weld at age 12-years. Learning the basics about welder hook up, 6011
rods, and how to strike an arc took me an hour, or two. Everything
else associated with clamping/positioning up metal pieces and arc
welding methods, techniques, and tricks he called “finesse”. Some of
them that worked well, too dangerous and/or legal liability laden to
be included in today’s published welding books or other media.



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Posted 6/28/2017 7:33:46 PM
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WHAT IS SO GREAT ABOUT THE 6011 1/8” WELDING ROD?

The 6011 F3 1/8” rod is deep penetrating fast freezing rod.

Deep penetrating with a forceful arc above 6000 degrees F / 3,300
degrees C, because of the high cellulose coating and fast freezing
because the weld solidifies rapidly in all positions while producing
light slag.

Excellent for flat, horizontal, vertical-up, vertical down, overhead,
and open root welding.

Bar none, this rod is the best choice for welding on dirty, rusty,
painted, oily, and greasy metal in windy and low temperatures, down to
near zero, conditions. There is no upper limit on the thickness of
metal to be welded. The 6011 1/8” rod is really good for welding old
vehicle frames and scrap metal.

Strength: 60,000 PSI

AC ARC welder settings for 6011 1/8” rods (75-120 setting) with
120-125 setting used most of the time. Settings above 120-125 with the
6011 1/8” rod greatly increase weld porosity and lessen weld
integrity.

Correct arc length for 6011 1/8” rod is usually 1/8” from metal.
Post #158016
Posted 7/5/2017 7:31:14 PM
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I placed a copy of this post here for anyone planning to build a Bat
Vehicle that may find it useful.

A good example of the benefits of procedural order and modular finishing in Bat Vehicle building.
Pre-installation grinding, sanding, polishing, finishing, and painting assemblies like an axle before installation will save you many hours of work and avoid a lot of aggravation.

“A bit of advice, if you can try and paint and finish bits like
your chassis, etc. as you’re going along. It becomes a real pain
coming back removing bits and pieces and proper access to parts
becomes awkward.” paulwayne

I like the way great minds think the same.

Like you suggested, I plan to paint and finish build part groups as I
go along. That’s why I didn’t mount the axle to the chassis mounts
before stopping to build the rear panels with recessed propane gas
tanks.
As you suggested, I plan to paint the rear axle with POR-15 before I
physically suspend it on the four-link suspension.
The axle with welded on truss will take some time to paint to get
inside the truss. I expect I will need to rotate the axle assembly
around 360 degrees, a little at a time, to be able to reach everything
with the POR-15 coating. If I had mounted the axle before painting, it
would have made coating the axle a major ordeal.
vertigo
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